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Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism
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Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:55:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > > > > I am impressed by the way he moved from anti-Semitism to the USA pro-Israeli
> > > > > > lobby without using the "Z" word. As for events in Durban, the USA cast its
> > > > > > own die there, and perhaps that outcome could be "rationalised".
> > > > >
> > > > > How did we cast our own die there? (I really want to know.)
> > > >
> > > > I may be wrong, but I think the USA poured cold water on the meeting well
> > > > before it even started as is was going to give its friends in the Middle
> > > > East a hard time. So if the USA did not play ball because of the way Israel
> > > > was being treated, is at any wonder they become associated with them?
> > >
> > > I'm not happy with the bedfellow relationship that my government has with
> > > Israel, so, no, I'm not suprised by the associations made between the U.S. and
> > > Israel. However...absolutely hateful and unplacatable anti-Israel and anti-
> > > Semitic rhetoric is far too common (and commonly accepted) by great portions of
> > > the international political community.
> >
> > I have partly fallen in to the trap laid by Wasserstein. One can be:
> > A Jew but not a Zionist.
> > A Zionist but not a Jew.
> > A Zionist Israeli but not an Jew
> > etc etc
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> > The problem is people on both side choose to confuse the terms. Israeli are
> > very quick to call any criticism of them "anti-Semitic" and invoke memories
> > of WW2.
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> > > Whatever good intentions those at Durban
> > > may have had, amending anti-Semitism didn't seem to be one of them.
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> > Perhaps if Israel played its part in the international community its voice
> > too could have been heard in Durban?
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> Granted, it would probably be in Israel's best interests to participate on the
> "world stage" but that doesn't mean that Middle Eastern countries have a free
> pass to throw around absolutely hateful rhetoric in the meantime.
The longer Israel plays the bad guy, the longer the people who "govern"
places like Saudi-Arabia and Syria will have a distraction for their own
people. I expect that if Israel were to all-of-a-sudden become a good boy, a
few of the neighbours would have “internal problems”.
> A congress on
> racism that tolerates anti-Semitism is hollow and without moral weight, no
> matter what other ills it is successful in addressing.
An honest question : But was it really anti-Semitism, or just anti-Israeli?
Scott A
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> james
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| (...) What would it mean for Israel to play the good boy? Surely, they can't placate the demands of *all* neighboring states. Israel exists (though the how and why of it be may be questionable.) It's destruction is not an option; peace is only going (...) (25 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Granted, it would probably be in Israel's best interests to participate on the "world stage" but that doesn't mean that Middle Eastern countries have a free pass to throw around absolutely hateful rhetoric in the meantime. A congress on racism (...) (25 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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