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Hello
Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
Paul
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"Paul Rutenberg" <paul_germany@hotmail.com> writes:
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA,
> gtfthis is a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year,
> YEAHHHHHHHHH: http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
Wow. I'm speechless. These trains are almost as good as some of the
MOC's I've seen around here. And that's not bad!
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Paul Rutenberg" <paul_germany@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA,
> > gtfthis is a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year,
> > YEAHHHHHHHHH: http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> Wow. I'm speechless. These trains are almost as good as some of the
> MOC's I've seen around here. And that's not bad!
My mouth just hit the floor!
They are wonderful.
James (who has to go to schoool...)
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> In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Paul Rutenberg" <paul_germany@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA,
> gtfthis is a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year,
> YEAHHHHHHHHH: http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
Wow, those are really nice trains! Did you notice the SW cannons on the
older gray train in the middle? Puts most of the trains over the last few
years to shame!
Scott S.
Scott E. Sanburn
Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
Coming Soon: The Sanburn Systems Company
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Wow, those are really nice trains! Did you notice the SW cannons on the
> older gray train in the middle? Puts most of the trains over the last few
> years to shame!
That grey steamer is going to be a gold mine of dark grey parts.
Also, for Mike Stanley... (and other castle heads) did you see what the farmer
behind the white horse is holding in set 4479(1)?
1 - which begs a question, why 44xx? Are we completely out of 45xx slots? But
if they're using 44xx now, that may imply that they want to be able to issue
lots more sets over the years.
Is 44xx a basically unused area? Pause doesn't give an easy way to do blocks of
number searches I don't think, or does it?
> Coming Soon: The Sanburn Systems Company
Do tell (in .geek perhaps?)
++Lar
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Larry,
> In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
>
> > Wow, those are really nice trains! Did you notice the SW cannons on the
> > older gray train in the middle? Puts most of the trains over the last few
> > years to shame!
>
> That grey steamer is going to be a gold mine of dark grey parts.
Indeed, and train doors and windows! Blue, red, white. Gosh, my credit cards
are going to melt again. : ) Excuse me for being a naive trainhead here, but
with this digital system, you will be able to operate the points and things
with a PC? That would be really sweet. Also, those partial track sets, what
are those for?
> Also, for Mike Stanley... (and other castle heads) did you see what the • farmer
> behind the white horse is holding in set 4479(1)?
The peasants will be restless again!
> 1 - which begs a question, why 44xx? Are we completely out of 45xx slots? • But
> if they're using 44xx now, that may imply that they want to be able to • issue
> lots more sets over the years.
>
> Is 44xx a basically unused area? Pause doesn't give an easy way to do • blocks of
> number searches I don't think, or does it?
Maybe to differentiate from the 9V non-digital, perhaps?
> > Coming Soon: The Sanburn Systems Company
> Do tell (in .geek perhaps?)
I wish it was in .geek, but I don't think I have any marketable skills in
computers outside of rudimentary Network Admin until I get my classes in,
and my AutoCad skills, etc. No, it is my LEGO business endeavor that I have
been working on over the past few months. More details soon! : )
Scott S.
Scott E. Sanburn
Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
Coming Soon: The Sanburn Systems Company
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I had someone here at the office translate part of it for me and it mentions
that you can convert you old type engines to work with the new digital
system!! Excellent!
jt
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In lugnet.trains, James J. Trobaugh writes:
> I had someone here at the office translate part of it for me and it mentions
> that you can convert you old type engines to work with the new digital
> system!! Excellent!
Yes... "engines", but not motors. That is, you'll have to find a hollow space
in your engine body somewhere for the DCC receiver module (that gray thing in
the picture with the power truck, Nr. 4468) and then replace your current power
truck (which remember, has no break point between rail delivered voltage and
the motor) with the new one.
I have significantly upwards of 50 power trucks or motors that are about to
become obsolete. But I don't care, much. Given the design of the old truck,
there was no way around it.
And I predict once the new powertruck is available for someone to open up and
inspect, there may be a brisk aftermarket in modifying old trucks to work the
new way, if it's even technically possible. I know I'd stand aside from my
purist stance and have it done to mine.
After all I have over 1000 USD just in power trucks to try to recover.
++Lar
>
> jt
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Paul Rutenberg" <paul_germany@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA,
> > gtfthis is a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year,
> > YEAHHHHHHHHH: http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> Wow. I'm speechless. These trains are almost as good as some of the
> MOC's I've seen around here. And that's not bad!
Perhaps it's because they *are* MOC's. I don't think this is real, why haven't
we found anything on www.lego.com?
--Tobias
> Fredrik
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"Tobias Möller" <tobias.moller@telia.com> writes:
> Perhaps it's because they *are* MOC's. I don't think this is real,
> why haven't we found anything on www.lego.com?
I don't see the Starwars AAT and MTT on www.lego.com. Does that mean
they are MOC's as well?
In my experience, it is very rarely that we find information about new
sets at www.lego.com _first_. For example, most of the information
about the new 2000 sets first popped up in a catalogue which Kevin
Loch scanned (bless him), not on www.lego.com. (Some of the
information also appeared from various unofficial sources ahead of
that, but it is probably best not mentioned.)
We'll have to wait and see if these are real sets, drafts for real
sets, or MOC's. (This does not apply for those of you who have
already made up your minds, of course.)
Fredrik
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Thank you for posting these fantastic pictures! Just looking at the models,
we can all see that trains these don't look like Town Jr. I can't wait to
see exactly what the new features of these trains are. Looking at 2.jpg, I
see the word "PC" in them, so I suspect these can be controlled via a
personal computer. Start saving your $$$ now...
Bryan Kinkel
Paul Rutenberg <paul_germany@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FsA9v1.9Cs@lugnet.com...
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
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4439 - automated switched! Looks like sets can use existing track! So
happy....
Bryan Kinkel
Paul Rutenberg <paul_germany@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FsA9v1.9Cs@lugnet.com...
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
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In lugnet.trains, Bryan Kinkel writes:
> 4439 - automated switched! Looks like sets can use existing track! So
> happy....
>
> Bryan Kinkel
I'm curious about clearance issues with the automated points.
Would the undercarriage of "normal" train cars strike against the dark gray
block if going through the curvey-curve section of the points?
later,
James Mathis
>
> Paul Rutenberg <paul_germany@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FsA9v1.9Cs@lugnet.com...
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
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James Mathis wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Bryan Kinkel writes:
> > 4439 - automated switched! Looks like sets can use existing track! So
> > happy....
> >
> > Bryan Kinkel
>
> I'm curious about clearance issues with the automated points.
> Would the undercarriage of "normal" train cars strike against the dark gray
> block if going through the curvey-curve section of the points?
Oh oh, 8 wide hell?
Dean
--
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
Pinch me and tell me I am not dreaming!
1/4 track sections
brown and green wagons
New sizes of wheels
more realistic train station
new COLORS of wheels
AND Digital Control
This is a happy day. Yahoo!
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
<raving>
Two minor downsides I saw:
- while we got new wheels in both powered and unpowered, we still don't have a
good piston rod/valve gear solution
- Looks like old motors may be obsolete. The DCC unit comes with a motor as
well
But I can get over these flaws... What is cooler is that if I am reading this
right, in addition to controllers you can buy, you also can get an interface to
your PC and PROGRAM your controls (signals, accessories, etc) I'm worried about
8 trains and 16 accessories. 16 is very very low for a large layout, you'd have
more than that just in switches.
Where did these pics come from, are they public knowledge (hope hope hope)
Wow is this exciting. Can someone with better german than me post a full
translation? Wonder whether they are using Marklin technology? Anyone recognise
the shape of the power pack?
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> <raving>
> But I can get over these flaws... What is cooler is that if I am reading this
> right, in addition to controllers you can buy, you also can get an interface
> to your PC and PROGRAM your controls (signals, accessories, etc) I'm worried
> about 8 trains and 16 accessories. 16 is very very low for a large layout,
> you'd have more than that just in switches.
I love people that casually talk about owning more than eight trains...
> Wow is this exciting. Can someone with better german than me post a full
> translation?
Hmm, not sure which bits you can't read but here goes.
The bottom corner of the first picture advertieses a competition to drive a
train, visit a museum in Berlin and experience the facsination of the
railways. Best bit? see other side for details.
The station has a storage shed, passengers (lit. travellers) and a wagon.
The 4460 has lights, digital control and a work platorm.
4450 express locomotive (lit. quick loco) with digital control, oval of track
and two first class coaches.
4432 freight wagon with freight pallet and railworker
The controller mentions a infrared tower (Infrarotschnittstelle) for
connecting to your PC (can we say mindstorms?)
The pictures suggest that if you have any questions to speak to you local lego
retailer. Yeah right as if Lego Australia knows anything!
HTH. James. (who wants some old 12v stuff? I'll swap!)
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In lugnet.trains, James Howse writes:
> <who has 8 trains?>
GMLTC for one... but i'm more worried about accessories than trains. However
maybe you use NETWORKED PCs, each controlling 16 accessories on one layout
section... in other words, maybe blocks aren't dead just yet. They just got
bigger, that's all.
> The pictures suggest that if you have any questions to speak to you local lego
> retailer. Yeah right as if Lego Australia knows anything!
Only if you can find someone who speaks german there.
> HTH. James. (who wants some old 12v stuff? I'll swap!)
If you're serious, let's talk offline.
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
<snip>
> Wow is this exciting. Can someone with better german than me post a full
> translation? Wonder whether they are using Marklin technology? Anyone recognise
> the shape of the power pack?
>
> ++Lar
OK, my German s frightful...but here is a very loose traslation of the
IMHO most important paragraph (top left) on this page:
http://members.tripod.de/legoit/2.jpg
Come and ride the new Lego Digital Train! Now begins a new railroading
fun with digitally controlled LEGO trains. You can control your trains
manually from the new controller. Swith remote-controlled points and
stop your trains at red stop signals.
Or conrol your trains directly from your PC. With the included infrared
control system you can control your trains separately.
With the backwards compatibility kit you can upgrade your old trains to
the new technic system.
--
Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
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In lugnet.trains, Thomas Main writes:
> OK, my German s frightful...but here is a very loose traslation of the
> IMHO most important paragraph (top left) on this page:
>
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/2.jpg
>
> Come and ride the new Lego Digital Train! Now begins a new railroading
> fun with digitally controlled LEGO trains. You can control your trains
> manually from the new controller. Swith remote-controlled points and
> stop your trains at red stop signals.
>
> Or conrol your trains directly from your PC. With the included infrared
> control system you can control your trains separately.
>
> With the backwards compatibility kit you can upgrade your old trains to
> the new technic system.
>
> --
> Thomas Main
> main@appstate.edu
Infrared? Could this possibly work with the RCX??
:-b... (drooling!!)
JohnG, GMTLC
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Larry,
Where did you see 1/4 track sections? Did I miss something?
jt
Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ...
>
> Pinch me and tell me I am not dreaming!
>
> 1/4 track sections
> brown and green wagons
> New sizes of wheels
> more realistic train station
> new COLORS of wheels
> AND Digital Control
>
> This is a happy day. Yahoo!
>
> ++Lar
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Oops, never mind I see them now. My vision was blurred by the excitement.
jt
James J. Trobaugh wrote in message ...
> Larry,
>
> Where did you see 1/4 track sections? Did I miss something?
>
> jt
>
> Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ...
> >
> > Pinch me and tell me I am not dreaming!
> >
> > 1/4 track sections
> > brown and green wagons
> > New sizes of wheels
> > more realistic train station
> > new COLORS of wheels
> > AND Digital Control
> >
> > This is a happy day. Yahoo!
> >
> > ++Lar
>
>
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In lugnet.trains, James J. Trobaugh writes:
> Larry,
>
> Where did you see 1/4 track sections? Did I miss something?
Upper right of first page, above the switches.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> Pinch me and tell me I am not dreaming!
>
> 1/4 track sections
> brown and green wagons
> New sizes of wheels
> more realistic train station
> new COLORS of wheels
> AND Digital Control
>
> This is a happy day. Yahoo!
>
> ++Lar
I'm with you Larry!
The red weird train front is back again. It looks like street lamps in red
will be back, (service packs hopefully available for those, sorry, it might
cut into your new business).
A few people are concerned that this is one huge hoax. I really hope not. If
it's fake, it's one of the best I've ever seen, (and I'm a fair to good piece
designer/creator and image manipulater).
Grey truck's too. 44XX may be the way that they will be able to distinguish
the Digital from the 9v. 12v was 77XX, and they had a whoooole lot of room
there.
Rich
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OH MY GOD!!! This is awesome, totally awesome!!!!!
I love the digital control and the new engines! Looks like it's time to
retire my computer control project and start saving my money now!!
Long live trains!!! yippie!
james
Paul Rutenberg wrote in message ...
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
Jeff
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I'm with you on this ... did you notice the pirate torso on the woman at the
station? If it's a fake then it's a well done fake ... Could it be April 1st
already?
-- pn
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That would be the most amazing April fools day trick ever if it was. They
would have had to actually make some fake pieces or some some really good
image enhancements.
Pawel Nazarewicz wrote in message ...
> I'm with you on this ... did you notice the pirate torso on the woman at • the
> station? If it's a fake then it's a well done fake ... Could it be April • 1st
> already?
>
> -- pn
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Hi everybody, please read the message below
I rarely watch this group
But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
not to 9V
2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
released in 1986
4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
THIS IS A HOAX
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Pawel Nazarewicz <verneer@utk.edu> wrote in message
news:FsAGM9.9L7@lugnet.com...
> I'm with you on this ... did you notice the pirate torso on the woman at • the
> station? If it's a fake then it's a well done fake ... Could it be April • 1st
> already?
>
> -- pn
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In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
>
> THIS IS A HOAX
I'm going to hope that it is real... I'm thinking these aren't the final
versions of the pictures, that this is being used to test layout, colors,
whatever. Yes, the picture quality is lower than what we're used to, but I've
seen prototype images direct from LEGO that were lower quality than these.
JohnG, GMTLC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> >
> > THIS IS A HOAX
>
>
> I'm going to hope that it is real... I'm thinking these aren't the final
> versions of the pictures, that this is being used to test layout, colors,
> whatever. Yes, the picture quality is lower than what we're used to, but I've
> seen prototype images direct from LEGO that were lower quality than these.
Too many things point to it being a hoax, IMO. Also, While the quality is low,
whoever made it, tried to make it as real as possible. The Train Logo is way
too clear, while the Lego Logo is way too fuzzy...
Jeff
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Maybe we're spending too much time on the quality of the graphics. Lets look
at the sets themselves. Where would those wheels on the 4460 and the gray
wheels on the 4432. And the doors and windows on the passenger cars on the
4450? Those are awesome creations if they weren't made by LEGO.
I think I'll hold out hope that they are real. We did hear rumors a few
weeks back about digital trains from LEGO coming out soon.
jt
Jeff Stembel wrote in message ...
> In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> > >
> > > THIS IS A HOAX
> >
> >
> > I'm going to hope that it is real... I'm thinking these aren't the final
> > versions of the pictures, that this is being used to test layout, colors,
> > whatever. Yes, the picture quality is lower than what we're used to, but • I've
> > seen prototype images direct from LEGO that were lower quality than these.
>
> Too many things point to it being a hoax, IMO. Also, While the quality is • low,
> whoever made it, tried to make it as real as possible. The Train Logo is • way
> too clear, while the Lego Logo is way too fuzzy...
>
> Jeff
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In lugnet.trains, James J. Trobaugh writes:
> Maybe we're spending too much time on the quality of the graphics.
Image quality is a big part of determining if it is a fake. IMO, at least.
For example, is it just a bad scan? What evidence is there for or against
this? One piece of evidence is that many of the colors are too universal for
it to be a scan. (I do a *lot* of scanning here at work)
> Lets look at the sets themselves. Where would those wheels on the 4460 and the
> gray wheels on the 4432.
Homemade would be my guess. Paint would turn the wheel covers gray... The
image quality is poor enough to mask imperfections and such.
> And the doors and windows on the passenger cars on
> the 4450?
Again, I'd say paint.
>
> I think I'll hold out hope that they are real. We did hear rumors a few
> weeks back about digital trains from LEGO coming out soon.
I don't remember that... But then, I don't read trains that much. :)
Jeff
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In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> Hi everybody, please read the message below
>
> I rarely watch this group
>
> But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
>
> 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> not to 9V
I was thinking this, too. Lego now uses the "<-o->" symbol. Not to mention
that the stickers are poorly applied, and Lego doesn't even use stickers for
the door symbols anymore (I think, they didn't with 4558).
>
> 2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
> wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
Right, too much reflection, for one. Also, 4450 used a wide angle lens,
causing it to "bend".
>
> 3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
> released in 1986
6676 Mobile Command Unit. The map is still on the appropriate part, too! 4424
also has a gray treasure chest (which I find suspect), and 4450 has the train
schedule from 7824, still on the three white 1x4 bricks.
>
> 4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
> the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
Yup, and the parts don't seem to fit together well.
>
> 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
Actually, it is a good idea. More flexibility in making layouts.
> 6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
Yup.
Also, Old torsos are in these, even when lego has newer "versions". And the
points images are mirrored copies of each other, IMO.
Certain parts are too pixelated, the letters are too clear (no grays, like
you'd get in a real scan), same with the red dot in the train lego (which is
too large), etc. There is *no* doubt in my mind that these are fakes.
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These are compelling arguments... :(
And here I was thinking of auctioning all my 12V track and trafos to be
able to but this stuff in the fall...
If they are fake...the person who did this deserves a nice round of
applause....and we should all make sure someone at LEGO sees these pics
and how excited we all were about them....maybe they could generate
similar excitement with a REAL product :)
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main@appstate.edu
Jeff Stembel wrote:
>
> In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> > Hi everybody, please read the message below
> >
> > I rarely watch this group
> >
> > But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
> >
> > 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> > not to 9V
>
> I was thinking this, too. Lego now uses the "<-o->" symbol. Not to mention
> that the stickers are poorly applied, and Lego doesn't even use stickers for
> the door symbols anymore (I think, they didn't with 4558).
> >
> > 2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
> > wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
>
> Right, too much reflection, for one. Also, 4450 used a wide angle lens,
> causing it to "bend".
> >
> > 3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
> > released in 1986
>
> 6676 Mobile Command Unit. The map is still on the appropriate part, too! 4424
> also has a gray treasure chest (which I find suspect), and 4450 has the train
> schedule from 7824, still on the three white 1x4 bricks.
> >
> > 4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
> > the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
>
> Yup, and the parts don't seem to fit together well.
> >
> > 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
>
> Actually, it is a good idea. More flexibility in making layouts.
>
> > 6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
>
> Yup.
>
> Also, Old torsos are in these, even when lego has newer "versions". And the
> points images are mirrored copies of each other, IMO.
>
> Certain parts are too pixelated, the letters are too clear (no grays, like
> you'd get in a real scan), same with the red dot in the train lego (which is
> too large), etc. There is *no* doubt in my mind that these are fakes.
>
> Jeff
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In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> > 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> > not to 9V
It is not the same DB logo as the 12V ones - they changed it in the early 90's
- the one on the scans is the newer version. It is shown more clearly bottom
right of 1.jpg.
Compare old logo:
http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/de/electric/ice/401/rail97.jpg
with new logo:
http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/de/electric/ice/403-406/ICE3_1.jpg
Look at the new train scans - the main difference between the two logos is the
font - these use the new one - hence authentic.
> I was thinking this, too. Lego now uses the "<-o->" symbol. Not to mention
> that the stickers are poorly applied, and Lego doesn't even use stickers for
> the door symbols anymore (I think, they didn't with 4558).
That's no indication, sometimes I can do stickers better than LEGO can.
> > 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
> Actually, it is a good idea. More flexibility in making layouts.
It's great.
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In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> Hi everybody, please read the message below
THis is a needless comment. If your message is worthy of reading it will be
read without the prefacatory fluff.
> I rarely watch this group
>
> But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
>
> 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> not to 9V
Stickers can be reprinted.
> 2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
> wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
No idea what you're getting on about here.
> 3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
> released in 1986
Parts can be reprinted. Parts can be reused. Why design new parts if you can
use old ones again?
> 4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
> the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
It would be logical to use the tooling for the outside casing for the DCC
controller instead of developing a new one, if the dimensions work. These are
low volume, save tooling where you can. (the INSIDE of the casing might well be
different but that's a different surface of the mold and could be new tooling.
> 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
Because people who build real layouts have been screaming for them for years,
as you'd know if you read the group much. GMLTC makes these with a hacksaw on a
regular basis. This may be the most important new item of them all. Really. Too
bad they didn't redo the switches/points to fix the geometry problem.
> 6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
Lame critique.
> THIS IS A HOAX
Maybe. But a very elaborate one. I'd reserve judgement. Wasn't that what was
said about the star wars preproduction pics? Please name off a significant
announcement that came with pictures that actually turned out to be a hoax.
Seems like every time TLC does something good everyone thinks it's a hoax. It's
funny. They deserve it, but it's still funny.
If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on 4460
came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers on
4450 for that matter.
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> > THIS IS A HOAX
>
> Maybe. But a very elaborate one. I'd reserve judgement. Wasn't that what • was
> said about the star wars preproduction pics? Please name off a significant
> announcement that came with pictures that actually turned out to be a • hoax.
> Seems like every time TLC does something good everyone thinks it's a hoax. • It's
> funny. They deserve it, but it's still funny.
>
> If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on • 4460
> came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers • on
> 4450 for that matter.
I would really like that train to come out, But we will have to wait for
confirmation from Lego if it's true, if it's true were did Paul Rutenberg
get the pictures from?
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> > Hi everybody, please read the message below
>
> THis is a needless comment. If your message is worthy of reading it will be
> read without the prefacatory fluff.
>
> > I rarely watch this group
> >
> > But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
> >
> > 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> > not to 9V
>
> Stickers can be reprinted.
>
> > 2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
> > wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
>
> No idea what you're getting on about here.
>
> > 3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
> > released in 1986
>
> Parts can be reprinted. Parts can be reused. Why design new parts if you can
> use old ones again?
>
> > 4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
> > the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
>
> It would be logical to use the tooling for the outside casing for the DCC
> controller instead of developing a new one, if the dimensions work. These are
> low volume, save tooling where you can. (the INSIDE of the casing might well be
> different but that's a different surface of the mold and could be new tooling.
>
> > 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
>
> Because people who build real layouts have been screaming for them for years,
> as you'd know if you read the group much. GMLTC makes these with a hacksaw on a
> regular basis. This may be the most important new item of them all. Really. Too
> bad they didn't redo the switches/points to fix the geometry problem.
>
> > 6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
>
> Lame critique.
>
> > THIS IS A HOAX
>
> Maybe. But a very elaborate one. I'd reserve judgement. Wasn't that what was
> said about the star wars preproduction pics? Please name off a significant
> announcement that came with pictures that actually turned out to be a hoax.
> Seems like every time TLC does something good everyone thinks it's a hoax. It's
> funny. They deserve it, but it's still funny.
>
> If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on 4460
> came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers on
> 4450 for that matter.
It looks like 4450 and 4460 use the same motor to me. Looks like the new
motor has two small wheels and 4 large spoked ones.
I did a quick look through the train sets, and unless I missed
something, I don't see a white/blue split color train door.
The 1st picture has a mountain made out of green rectangular BURPS. I
have seen green triangular ones, but not the rectangular ones.
The brown box car in 4479 looks like it has green 1x3x4 solid doors,
I've seen those in a bunch of colors but not green.
Why would a hoax put the set numbers in the 44xx range?
How did the hoaxer get grey train wheel frames? Why create a color no
one would have expected LEGO to create.
Of course some of these ideas could be carefully chosen image
manipulations to try and hide the hoax.
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In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> It looks like 4450 and 4460 use the same motor to me. Looks like the new
> motor has two small wheels and 4 large spoked ones.
I'm thinking 4460 uses steel rimmed (powered) and 4450 uses plastic rimmed
(unpowered) with the motor unit in the tender. That looks like a glint of
steel on the tender wheels.
That's good news because it means we get a new size wheel for building our own
locos with. I was scared at first that we'd ONLY get the sealed small/2large
power unit. If we're really lucky, the small steel wheels are power pickup
wheels to power the lights instead of attached to the larger unit.
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> writes:
> I'm thinking 4460 uses steel rimmed (powered) and 4450 uses plastic rimmed
> (unpowered) with the motor unit in the tender. That looks like a glint of
> steel on the tender wheels.
It _is_ a bit strange that the red 4460 has metal rims on all the
wheels, though. Surely, only two pairs are powered.
On the other hand, mixing metal and non-metal rims on one engine would
probably look daft.
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> On the other hand, mixing metal and non-metal rims on one engine would
> probably look daft.
?? <set:4551>
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Michael Edwards writes:
> > Hi everybody, please read the message below
>
> THis is a needless comment. If your message is worthy of reading it will be
> read without the prefacatory fluff.
What is with the rude comments of late? Someone can't just throw in a little
meaningless statement here and there? You do it often enough. I do it, too,
and so do most people.
>
> > I rarely watch this group
> >
> > But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me
> >
> > 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V
> > not to 9V
>
> Stickers can be reprinted.
Yes, but isn't that a real train company? Wouldn't it have to be liscensed?
Lego hasn't liscensed many realworld companies recently, at least not for
general release sets.
>
> > 2. Look at 4450 Right at the top right corner appears to be a part of the
> > wall showning, and the pictures don't look like the way lego does theirs?
>
> No idea what you're getting on about here.
There is a triangular section in the corner. Seems to be a different object
from the background. Also, notice the bending in this picture? That is from a
wide angle or panoramic lens, IMO.
>
> > 3. Look at 4424, the Station map there, that came from the Police Van
> > released in 1986
>
> Parts can be reprinted. Parts can be reused. Why design new parts if you can
> use old ones again?
Have you *completely* forgotten Lego's track record? Since when do they
re-issue 14 year old stickers?? That is a *sticker* and not a preprinted part
after all. Also, 4450 uses the train schedule from 7824, still on the white
bricks.
>
> > 4. Look at 4468 Looks like at Old 9V Technic motor same for 4438 and 4439,
> > the old motor was discountued a few years ago.
>
> It would be logical to use the tooling for the outside casing for the DCC
> controller instead of developing a new one, if the dimensions work. These are
> low volume, save tooling where you can. (the INSIDE of the casing might well
> be different but that's a different surface of the mold and could be new
> tooling.
Again, Lego likes to make new parts for new functions...
>
> > 5. 4465 Looks Odd?, why do Lego want to start making little pieces of track?
>
> Because people who build real layouts have been screaming for them for years,
> as you'd know if you read the group much.
I've never screamed for them, and I build "real" layouts. What is the
definition of a "real layout", anyway?
> GMLTC makes these with a hacksaw on a regular basis. This may be the most
> important new item of them all. Really.
'Tis more challenging to create within the bounds Lego sets for us... ;)
> Too bad they didn't redo the switches/points to fix the geometry problem.
The person who created this hoax probably didn't want to expend the effort,
otherwise I'm sure they would've been there. :)
>
> > 6. 4479 There is too much shadow, it's not well done.
>
> Lame critique.
Lame Response.
I read Michael's "critique" (more of an observation, really) as saying
something like, "There is too much shadow for this to be a real lego image; if
it is, it is not well done."
>
> > THIS IS A HOAX
>
> Maybe. But a very elaborate one. I'd reserve judgement. Wasn't that what was
> said about the star wars preproduction pics?
Just the first one, IIRC. And most of us had never seen a prepro image then,
so we didn't know what techniques and styles they used.
> Please name off a significant announcement that came with pictures that
> actually turned out to be a hoax.
There *is* a first time for everything, you know. Why exactly do you believe
it is real, other than wishful dreaming? :)
> Seems like every time TLC does something good everyone thinks it's a hoax.
No, just when things are so completely different from what they normally do.
These are not, IMO, of a style lego would build in. For example, the steam
engine in 4450 is way to big for an official Lego model, IMO. This is the kind
of thing I'd expect to come from someone like Eric Brok.
> If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on 4460
> came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers on
> 4450 for that matter.
Since the quality isn't very good, it is impossible to say for sure what they
are made of. Maybe the hoaxer has access to metal or plastic molds (maybe the
sand kind, but not permanant ones).
Jeff
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> > If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on • 4460
> > came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers • on
> > 4450 for that matter.
>
> Since the quality isn't very good, it is impossible to say for sure what • they
> are made of. Maybe the hoaxer has access to metal or plastic molds (maybe • the
> sand kind, but not permanant ones).
Naw. Those are black model team wheel hubs - recently available in Bi-Wing
Baron (thanks LFB :-) and the Twisted Time Train - with chromed edges. Ben
Fleskes has an engine using these wheels in grey and I've just negotiated
the acquisition of enough of these in black to keep me in steamer heaven for
quite a long time :-)
The poor picture quality hides the round cutouts (I think Lar referred to
wheels of this design as "boxpox" drivers) and the very deep flange.
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In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> > > If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on
> > > 4460 came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large
> > > spokers on 4450 for that matter.
> >
> > Since the quality isn't very good, it is impossible to say for sure what
> > they are made of. Maybe the hoaxer has access to metal or plastic molds
> > (maybe the sand kind, but not permanant ones).
>
> Naw. Those are black model team wheel hubs - recently available in Bi-Wing
> Baron (thanks LFB :-) and the Twisted Time Train - with chromed edges. Ben
> Fleskes has an engine using these wheels in grey and I've just negotiated
> the acquisition of enough of these in black to keep me in steamer heaven for
> quite a long time :-)
Nope, because those aren't spoked. However, the could be painte Maxifig
wheels... (also found on the "pre-model team" classic cars, in the 390's)
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Will Hess wrote:
>
> > > If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on • 4460
> > > came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers • on
> > > 4450 for that matter.
> >
> > Since the quality isn't very good, it is impossible to say for sure what • they
> > are made of. Maybe the hoaxer has access to metal or plastic molds (maybe • the
> > sand kind, but not permanant ones).
>
> Naw. Those are black model team wheel hubs - recently available in Bi-Wing
> Baron (thanks LFB :-) and the Twisted Time Train - with chromed edges. Ben
> Fleskes has an engine using these wheels in grey and I've just negotiated
> the acquisition of enough of these in black to keep me in steamer heaven for
> quite a long time :-)
>
> The poor picture quality hides the round cutouts (I think Lar referred to
> wheels of this design as "boxpox" drivers) and the very deep flange.
What I see are CLEARLY spoked wheels with a single stud hub.
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You are both correct. Now, where's that shoehorn? I seem to have my foot
stuck in my mouth :-)
I still think his whole thing is a hoax.
Will
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Will Hess wrote:
> > > If you think it's a hoax you have to explain where the metal wheels on • 4460
> > > came from, those are going to be very hard to fake. And the large spokers • on
> > > 4450 for that matter.
> >
> > Since the quality isn't very good, it is impossible to say for sure what • they
> > are made of. Maybe the hoaxer has access to metal or plastic molds (maybe • the
> > sand kind, but not permanant ones).
>
> Naw. Those are black model team wheel hubs - recently available in Bi-Wing
> Baron (thanks LFB :-) and the Twisted Time Train - with chromed edges. Ben
> Fleskes has an engine using these wheels in grey and I've just negotiated
> the acquisition of enough of these in black to keep me in steamer heaven for
> quite a long time :-)
>
> The poor picture quality hides the round cutouts (I think Lar referred to
> wheels of this design as "boxpox" drivers) and the very deep flange.
Lighten that picture up in PSP, and you'll see that IF they are those rims, they
were EXTENSIVELY modified. As in the flange on the smaller diameter was
removed, most of the larger ends' flange was removed, black spokes were machine
for the center (including a stud in the center), and a peg was machined as part
of the spokes (it's NOT a Technic peg, though it could be a technic peg/ball
combo). A TON of work for a fake.
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"Michael Edwards" <medwards@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
> THIS IS A HOAX
Feel free to call me gullible, but I believe this is real. The layout
of the ads are different than what we are used to, but I would
attribute that to it being a Deutsche Bahn promotion catalogue, or
something to that effect. At least the text in the yellow triangle
appears to refer to some sort of contest.
We recently had a "TINE LEGO milk truck" promotion in Norway, and the
layout of the ad folder was totally non-LEGO like.
How could someone fake those new train wheels, say? Sure, they could
have been faked, but it would have taken much effort from the one
doing the fake.
I think the train people can look forward to a bright future!
Fredrik (gullible)
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After having another look, I am not too sure now, I am stuck in-between. You
guys are going to have to connive me.
If this is the True Lego picture
It would be great, but why is there some mistakes in the picture. I now
believe that this is a hoax for April 1st or it has been leaked out of Lego
and somebody has tempered with it.
I also believe it's a prototype for the new trains, the are so many new
parts in the pictures. Like the train wheels and different colour parts,
also like Larry said you might as well use old stickers and things before
you make the final product. A common example was the 8448 Super car, I have
prototype pictures for these.
So I am pointing to the direction that there is light at the end of the
tunnel for the train fans like Larry and his friends. And I will enjoy it
these do come out.
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> "Michael Edwards" <medwards@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
>
> > THIS IS A HOAX
>
> Feel free to call me gullible, but I believe this is real. The layout
> of the ads are different than what we are used to, but I would
> attribute that to it being a Deutsche Bahn promotion catalogue, or
> something to that effect. At least the text in the yellow triangle
> appears to refer to some sort of contest.
>
> We recently had a "TINE LEGO milk truck" promotion in Norway, and the
> layout of the ad folder was totally non-LEGO like.
>
> How could someone fake those new train wheels, say? Sure, they could
> have been faked, but it would have taken much effort from the one
> doing the fake.
>
> I think the train people can look forward to a bright future!
>
> Fredrik (gullible)
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In lugnet.trains, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
I think it is obvious that the images are fakes. It's probably an April-fools
joke, and very well done. Similar someone else's, of a fake set. That was really
good, he made a fake box and even took a kid, dressed him in typical 70's
clothes and had a pic of him playing with the train, just like LEGO used to
have. It appears that LEGO Trains is popular for April-jokes.
The pictures does not look like they have been scanned, they would have looked
more soft in the edges then. And the trains look like MOC:s (and really great
ones), LEGO would never design anything like that. The first thing that stroke
me when watching the images was that they all looked like they hade been made in
windows paint, and then saved as JPEG, because they simply look fake.
--Tobias
> I'm with you on this ... did you notice the pirate torso on the woman at the
> station? If it's a fake then it's a well done fake ... Could it be April 1st
> already?
>
> -- pn
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Jeff,
> Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't • feel
> right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
>
> Jeff
You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in this
set before:
http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I never saw it
before. The pictures sure seem a little "non-professional" for LEGO as well.
(The shadows of the bright lighting in the above mentioned picture is
suspect) Could be a hoax, I don't know.
Scott S.
Scott E. Sanburn
Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Jeff,
>
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't
> > feel right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in this
> set before:
>
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
>
> The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I never saw it
> before. The pictures sure seem a little "non-professional" for LEGO as well.
> (The shadows of the bright lighting in the above mentioned picture is
> suspect) Could be a hoax, I don't know.
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "3x3 wall part, with the window in it", but
all windows have appeared in other sets.
Jeff
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> > You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> > font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in • this
> > set before:
> >
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
> >
> > The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I never saw it
> > before. The pictures sure seem a little "non-professional" for LEGO as • well.
> > (The shadows of the bright lighting in the above mentioned picture is
> > suspect) Could be a hoax, I don't know.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "3x3 wall part, with the window in • it", but
> all windows have appeared in other sets.
Alright, in front of the engine, there is a angled window. (going from the
train door forward) There is the 3 1x1 tile, the 1x2x3 window with the thin
slot window, and the angled window in front. Maybe it is a 2x2 instead. Was
it in the crocodile engine perhaps?
Scott S.
Scott E. Sanburn
Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> > > You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> > > font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in • this
> > > set before:
> > >
> > > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
> > >
> > > The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I never saw it
> > > before. The pictures sure seem a little "non-professional" for LEGO as • well.
> > > (The shadows of the bright lighting in the above mentioned picture is
> > > suspect) Could be a hoax, I don't know.
> >
> > Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "3x3 wall part, with the window in • it", but
> > all windows have appeared in other sets.
>
> Alright, in front of the engine, there is a angled window. (going from the
> train door forward) There is the 3 1x1 tile, the 1x2x3 window with the thin
> slot window, and the angled window in front. Maybe it is a 2x2 instead. Was
> it in the crocodile engine perhaps?
>
> Scott S.
>
> Scott E. Sanburn
> Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
> LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
> Coming Soon: The Sanburn Systems Company
I don't have a crocodile, but I can tell you that the type of frame without
the actual Lego Train type window glass, (I have to word it just right so
Larry wont be confused,) is available in #5958, Mummy's Tomb. It's red, just
as shown in the new train pictures. The "glass" piece, I couldn't tell you
though. I'm sure that they are produced in something, so it could have been a
MOC, foolery.
I'm still hoping for it not to be. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Lego, if it's a
fake, take the lead and do something good for us for a change.
Rich
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Dear Brad,
In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> I'm still hoping for it not to be. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Lego, if it's a
> fake, take the lead and do something good for us for a change.
>
> Rich
Well, if it is fake or not, it sure has attracted many people, and I hope
TLC sees this. This is what we would really like to see in train sets. Sets
like these have the possibilities and parts needed for everyones imagination
to flourish and grow. Whatever the case, i hope some good comes out of this.
Sincerely,
Scott S.
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> < cross posted to Dear-LEGO >
and I set the FUT there too.
>
> Dear Brad,
>
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
>
> > I'm still hoping for it not to be. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Lego, if it's a
> > fake, take the lead and do something good for us for a change.
> >
> > Rich
>
> Well, if it is fake or not, it sure has attracted many people, and I hope
> TLC sees this. This is what we would really like to see in train sets. Sets
> like these have the possibilities and parts needed for everyones imagination
> to flourish and grow. Whatever the case, i hope some good comes out of this.
Indeed. These sets get a number of things right: More subdued colors (lots of
dark grey, brown, tan and green), more realism, less juniorization, additional
options for power, more use of train windows, and more options for track
layouts thanks to the shortened track pieces.
If they're hoaxes, get your designers cracking and get us something nearly as
good. If they're for real, congratuations and thank you for listening.
As I said, Train heads buy a lot of stuff. We're nutty that way. Since you've
gotten the Star Wars heads hooked up (and hopefully made lots of money doing
so) we were a natural market. And DCC (Digital Command Control) means you're
going to be taken a lot more seriously.
Just fix the turnout geometry, come out with a new larger radius of track in
addition to 4520, and make sure some of these parts are available in spares or
bulk, and we'll go from ecstatic to delerious.
++Lar
Member, Guild of Bricksmiths
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Jeff,
>
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't • feel
> > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in this
> set before:
>
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
>
> The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it.
Try <set:4563> or <set:4551> both of which command over 100 to over 200 each on
the aftermarket. I am looking forward to having that part available in larger
quantities. I've seen at least one MOC streetcar use this part
We need to hear the provenance of these scans. This "it's a hoax, it isn't a
hoax" frenzy that always breaks out drives me crazy. If they're leaked Todd
isn't going to be happy about it or that we're discussing it, either.
I'd like someone to remind me of an announcement of any significance that was
this close in (7 months away) that actually WAS a hoax. No one has pulled off a
significant hoax in our hobby that I can remember. Ever.
Prove me wrong. Remind me of it. Can't? That's a strong argument FOR it being
real.
++Lar
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Larry,
> > You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> > font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in • this
> > set before:
> >
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
> >
> > The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it.
>
> Try <set:4563> or <set:4551> both of which command over 100 to over 200 • each on
> the aftermarket. I am looking forward to having that part available in • larger
> quantities. I've seen at least one MOC streetcar use this part
That's right, I was just trying to see if it was a new part or not. It is
one of those, darn, I missed it sets.
> We need to hear the provenance of these scans. This "it's a hoax, it isn't • a
> hoax" frenzy that always breaks out drives me crazy. If they're leaked • Todd
> isn't going to be happy about it or that we're discussing it, either.
Indeed. I think Todd is sleeping right now, isn't he? I really don't know if
it is or not, but until we know for sure, I am going to assume they are
real. It would be nice, however.
> I'd like someone to remind me of an announcement of any significance that • was
> this close in (7 months away) that actually WAS a hoax. No one has pulled • off a
> significant hoax in our hobby that I can remember. Ever.
>
> Prove me wrong. Remind me of it. Can't? That's a strong argument FOR it • being
> real.
Yes, like I said, if it is real, it is an early production run anyway, much
like those SW sets (The X Wing, etc.) I know for sure that if these are
real, most of the LUGNET group would buy enough of these sets to keep TLC in
the black, along with the other items like SW and Mindstorms. Let's hope TLC
is learning! : )
Scott "Still glad I bought the Metroliner because it was a cool set" S.
Scott E. Sanburn
Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> http://www.aeieng.com
LEGO Page -> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/3372/legoindex.html
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> > We need to hear the provenance of these scans. This "it's a hoax, it
> > isn't a hoax" frenzy that always breaks out drives me crazy. If they're
> > leaked Todd isn't going to be happy about it or that we're discussing it,
> > either.
>
> Indeed. I think Todd is sleeping right now, isn't he? I really don't know
> if it is or not, but until we know for sure, I am going to assume they are
> real. It would be nice, however.
Ya, got to bed really late last night and only woke up about 3 hours ago.
This was the first thing Suzanne & I talked about today -- we had a good
laugh. I hate to use the word "hoax" because "April Fool's Joke" is probably
much more appropriate, but it's clear to us (in our minds) that these images
are beyond the shadow of a doubt simply a good-natured April Fool's Day joke
from someone who can build some really nice things (but isn't a very good
photographer or image-editor).
IMHO, these are just "real" enough to cause a modicum of belief, yet crufty
enough from an image-details point of view that people won't be upset when
the truth comes out from whoever did this (because it was obvious enough) --
I look forward to seeing what they'll come up with next year! This is an MOC
milestone for the community, methinks.
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In lugnet.trains, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Jeff,
>
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't • feel
> > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the
> font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in this
> set before:
>
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
What I can't figure out is the pantagraph on the roof. Most of it looks
familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence" piece; the
hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of attaching the 1x6 black low
"fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is what I can't readily dicern.
> The red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I never saw it
> before. The pictures sure seem a little "non-professional" for LEGO as well.
> (The shadows of the bright lighting in the above mentioned picture is
> suspect) Could be a hoax, I don't know.
Gotta wonder! Love the models, regardless of the truth. My compliments to the
builder(s).
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis writes:
> What I can't figure out is the pantagraph on the roof. Most of it looks
> familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence" piece; the
> hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of attaching the 1x6 black low
> "fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is what I can't readily dicern.
There may be one new piece here. Consider a 1x1 plate with 2 fingers on both
edges? Plug that into a clip to clip into the bottom of the rail
Either that or they borrowed your unsymmetric method and we can't spot it.
I would rather they used the old panto as in 4551 but that doesn't allow for
diamond pantos, only L (single sided) pantos
> Gotta wonder! Love the models, regardless of the truth. My compliments to • the
> builder(s).
My complements to the hoaxer if it is a hoax (Suz weighing in on the hoax side
does carry some weight with me, she knows a fair bit about image prep and how
Lego does things stylistically) and my complements to the set designers if not.
Hopefully the latter. But like I said (and no one's called me on it) point me
to a successful hoax of this magnitude in our hobby, please... hasn't been one
IIRC.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, James Mathis writes:
>
> > What I can't figure out is the pantagraph on the roof. Most of it looks
> > familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence" piece; the
> > hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of attaching the 1x6 black • low
> > "fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is what I can't readily dicern.
>
> There may be one new piece here. Consider a 1x1 plate with 2 fingers on both
> edges? Plug that into a clip to clip into the bottom of the rail
>
> Either that or they borrowed your unsymmetric method and we can't spot it.
>
> I would rather they used the old panto as in 4551 but that doesn't allow for
> diamond pantos, only L (single sided) pantos
>
> > Gotta wonder! Love the models, regardless of the truth. My compliments to • the
> > builder(s).
>
> My complements to the hoaxer if it is a hoax (Suz weighing in on the hoax side
> does carry some weight with me, she knows a fair bit about image prep and how
> Lego does things stylistically) and my complements to the set designers if • not.
>
I concurr.
> Hopefully the latter. But like I said (and no one's called me on it) point me
> to a successful hoax of this magnitude in our hobby, please... hasn't been one
> IIRC.
>
> ++Lar
...wasn't there an artist who generated a bit of controversy when he created a
mock up of a LEGO set under the theme of a WWII era concentration camp? That
was kicked around on r.t.l a couple of years back, and I may not be recalling
it correctly and with enough detail at this point. However, I seem to remember
some people trying to pass it off as a real set, thus the hoax connection. The
artist's intention was probably not to create a prank, but rather an artistic
expression (which I found distasteful, by the way). If we don't remember it,
he failed to impress, I guess.
Ed
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If I remember correctly, lego had some involvement with that artist. The
artist misled (maybe another word is better) lego such that they were shocked
when they saw his creation. I know a lot of people complained. Here's what I
found in dejanews:
:: A model of a Nazi concentration camp built out of bricks by a
Polish artist was condemned by the company as "terrible taste" even though it
had provided the Lego free under a worldwide programme
to encourage artists to use its product.
Looks like Ken Rice still has the pictures up:
http://users.erols.com/kennrice/
Sorry if this reopens old wounds.
BTW: I'm inclined to believe that the new train sets are not a hoax. I
remember everyone being convinced that the canopy on the x-wing was non-lego.
I could be a hoax, but I think it's much more likely to be real.
brian
In lugnet.trains, Ed McGlynn writes:
> ...wasn't there an artist who generated a bit of controversy when he created a
> mock up of a LEGO set under the theme of a WWII era concentration camp? That
> was kicked around on r.t.l a couple of years back, and I may not be recalling
> it correctly and with enough detail at this point. However, I seem to • remember
> some people trying to pass it off as a real set, thus the hoax connection. • The
> artist's intention was probably not to create a prank, but rather an artistic
> expression (which I found distasteful, by the way). If we don't remember it,
> he failed to impress, I guess.
>
> Ed
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"James Mathis" <thakius@nmt.edu> writes:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
>
> What I can't figure out is the pantagraph on the roof. Most of it
> looks familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence"
> piece; the hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of
> attaching the 1x6 black low "fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is
> what I can't readily dicern.
Perhaps the 1x6 low fence is simply a placeholder, while a different
part or a different design will be used on the final version?
That would be consistent with the hypothesis that the "scans" are not
scans but layout drafts.
I wonder if it is against the LUGNET terms of use to discuss images the
one believes are "leaked" from the LEGO Company? When the LUGNET
maintainers have decided that they are not leaked? Isn't that an
interesting question? ;-)
It will certainly be interesting to see if these sets are fakes or not.
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> I wonder if it is against the LUGNET terms of use to discuss images the
> one believes are "leaked" from the LEGO Company? When the LUGNET
> maintainers have decided that they are not leaked? Isn't that an
> interesting question? ;-)
It is against the Terms of Use Agreement to infringe on the privacy or
publicity rights of others.
Interpret our (mine & Suz's) opinions at your own risk.
--Todd
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ...
> In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> > I wonder if it is against the LUGNET terms of use to discuss images the
> > one believes are "leaked" from the LEGO Company? When the LUGNET
> > maintainers have decided that they are not leaked? Isn't that an
> > interesting question? ;-)
>
> It is against the Terms of Use Agreement to infringe on the privacy or
> publicity rights of others.
>
> Interpret our (mine & Suz's) opinions at your own risk.
Interesting thinking about this, the debate should settle down to just
naysayers (if you believe the scan is real, it is almost certainly a leak,
and therefor shouldn't be discussed). The only thing which would change
debate is if someone from TLC said it was real (but most likely they won't
say that until they announce it for real).
Frank
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In lugnet.trains, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> > I wonder if it is against the LUGNET terms of use to discuss images the
> > one believes are "leaked" from the LEGO Company? When the LUGNET
> > maintainers have decided that they are not leaked? Isn't that an
> > interesting question? ;-)
>
> It is against the Terms of Use Agreement to infringe on the privacy or
> publicity rights of others.
>
> Interpret our (mine & Suz's) opinions at your own risk.
I'm not following you completely. Here's where my thinking currently is, and I
admit I should have thought this through before posting extensively as I now
think some of that posting may not be correct from a legal perspective. I am
prepared to suffer the consequences of that but am also willing to have
whatever posts need to be cancelled removed from LUGNET to reduce or mitigate
LUGNET exposure.
Here's what I see the possible provenance of the images as being (and I think
this is an exhaustive set based on my analysis but could be wrong);
- An officially released flyer or catalog page that we just have not seen by
any other means as of yet, which has already been officially released. In this
case there is no issue whatever about posting links or discussion. However, my
analysis indicates this is quite unlikely as it's not up to TLC quality levels,
even for promotions (such as this seems to be purported to be, a promotion with
DB at least initially). It also is unlikely that they would release in so
limited a fashion
- An offical flyer that hasn't yet been released (it was either stolen or
someone with insufficient authority leaked it). As unlikely as the first from
image analysis. But more likely than the first based on analysis of TLC
activity, they don't pre-release or deliberately leak. In this case we
shouldn't be discussing it. Differentiating between these two is easy, we need
better provenance.
- A preproduction flyer that has been officially released, perhaps in a
circuitious manner. While it is likely that this is a preproduction flyer (I
count it as more probable than that it is a hoax for reasons I have already
discussed) it's not likely that TLC would officially release preproduction.
They're not that open. If someone makes a definitive statement, OK to discuss.
- A preproduction flyer that has been deliberately leaked for whatever reason
and the provenance deliberately tangled.. perhaps to judge reaction, perhaps to
test internal security, who knows. Unlikely, too machivellian for TLC. If so,
we shouldn't be discussing it until someone from TLC makes an official
statement as to provenance and disposition
- A preproduction flyer that hasn't yet been released. (it was either stolen or
someone with insufficient authority leaked it). In this case we shouldn't be
discussing it. Differentiating between these two is (as with the first pair)
also easy, we need better provenance. Unfortunately I judge this to be the most
likely case.
- a design study or other advance work that may not ever be released. Same
likelyhood based on image analysis as above. Lower likelihood of truth as it's
rather far along in the process for someone to scratch. cf the early star wars
design studies that TLC publicly showed which were rather crude. Same
bifurcation as the first two pairs, was it leaked or officially released some
how? Same discussion restriction outcomes
- a hoax. Entirely fan generated with no offical TLC involvement. In that case
the fan or fans who did so may have some trouble with TLC legal. We ought to be
OK discussing it though.
Did I miss any?
Now, this puts me in a box. Unless this is a hoax, or unless TLC clarifies, I
can't talk about it and abide by the T&C. But I don't WANT it to be a hoax and
I don't want to do a legal fiction and call it a hoax just so I can discuss it.
My read on Todd and Suz is that either they really think it's a hoax or they
are taking the position that it is for other reasons. But I doubt that, they
don't usually get that devious either. So I think they really think it is.
Maybe I should too, it certainly would make things easier.
I guess I'm done for now.
But can I talk about talking about it? :-) Hence FUT admin.general
I'm not sure I see any clear guidance from Todd in his statements at the top of
this post, and if he'd like to clarify, that would be great.
++Lar
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> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/3.jpg
>
> What I can't figure out is the pantagraph on the roof. Most of it looks
> familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence" piece; the
> hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of attaching the 1x6 black low
> "fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is what I can't readily dicern.
Perhaps the little antenna pieces.
Alan
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In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
>
> Jeff
nice models. if they had been taken in prototype format, not mocked up onto
pages, I almost could have fallen for it. :-)
There are many specific flaws in the design of the pages. LEGO has style
guidlines.
- The name SYSTEM would have to appear beside the LEGO logo before the presence
of anything that looked like a train logo. Train logo would not be blown up to
height of LEGO red square.
- the trademark/copyright info would not say (c) Logo(R) (yes, L-o-g-o)
- the colors are too bright around boxes, etc to have been scanned (they dont
match the intensity of photos, too smooth to be descreened halftone.esp next to
choppy text which looks unscanned.
- one of the yellow 'new' triangles is positioned off by one pixel. In a print
copy, I don't think a scan could produce that error effect.
- old 9v motors are no longer being used.
- photography is of unacceptable quality. even for a first layout draft.
- layout of page 2 is too poor.
- screened background photos are of large LEGO setups, not real-world.
No doubt an April 1 hoax. good one.
-Suz
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In lugnet.trains, Suzanne D. Rich writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > > Hello
> > > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis
> > > is a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> > >
> > > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > > Paul
> >
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> nice models. if they had been taken in prototype format, not mocked up onto
> pages, I almost could have fallen for it. :-)
Listen up, people!! This is from "Someone in the know"!! :)
>
> There are many specific flaws in the design of the pages. LEGO has style
> guidlines.
>
> - The name SYSTEM would have to appear beside the LEGO logo before the
> presence of anything that looked like a train logo. Train logo would not be
> blown up to height of LEGO red square.
I thought they got rid of SYSTEM... Also, the red dot is too large... I'm
sure Lego has premade scalable templates for this kind of thing, so there
wouldn't be errors...
> - the trademark/copyright info would not say (c) Logo(R) (yes, L-o-g-o)
I didn't notice that. Not a mistake Lego would make, for sure.
> - photography is of unacceptable quality. even for a first layout draft.
And some of them seem to've been taken with a panoramic lens, causing
"bending".
>
> No doubt an April 1 hoax. good one.
And the models are nice, too. But I fully agree it is a hoax.
Jeff
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> And the models are nice, too. But I fully agree it is a hoax.
>
> Jeff
Doesn't this fall under "emotional abuse" on the part of the hoaxer? Thank
goodness he or she didn't release a castle. I would have to jump out of a
window.
-- pn
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In lugnet.trains, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> > And the models are nice, too. But I fully agree it is a hoax.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> Doesn't this fall under "emotional abuse" on the part of the hoaxer? Thank
> goodness he or she didn't release a castle. I would have to jump out of a
> window.
lol!!! You're right! I would, too, if it was more believable. :)
Jeff
P.S. We've still got a number of hours before the hoaxer posts his "Gotcha!
Happy April Fool's Day" post. And boy is he making a number of people look
like fools. ;)
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In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
You're right -- I noticed the background in the main picture is all made
out of LEGO. TLC never does that anymore. Highly suspicious.
Steve
--
;)'s for everyone!
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In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if they
where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try it
yourself...
Jeff
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Has anyone noticed the new link on the site?
http://legoit.itgo.com/Kataloge.html
....I swear that wasn't there this morning :)
--
Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
Jeff Stembel wrote:
>
> In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > > Hello
> > > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> > >
> > > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > > Paul
> >
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
>
>
> Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if they
> where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try it
> yourself...
>
> Jeff
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Yeah and the counter isn't working any more!
jt
Thomas Main wrote in message <38E4E488.3482DB3D@appstate.edu>...
> Has anyone noticed the new link on the site?
>
> http://legoit.itgo.com/Kataloge.html
>
> ....I swear that wasn't there this morning :)
>
> --
> Thomas Main
> main@appstate.edu
>
>
> Jeff Stembel wrote:
> >
> > In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > > > Hello
> > > > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis
> > is
> > > > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > > > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> > > >
> > > > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't • feel
> > > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> >
> >
> > Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if • they
> > where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try • it
> > yourself...
> >
> > Jeff
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Jeff Stembel wrote:
> Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if they
> where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try it
> yourself...
Here's the mirror proof:
I took the images of the points from the 'leaked' catalog and cut them out
into separate files. I mirrored one of them. I then dropped the red and
green components from one and the green and blue from the other. I then
put the opacity of one to 50% while leaving the other opaque. The
transparent one was placed on top of the other. Any pixel that is the same
will turn up
purplish, while a different one will be either red or blue. My conclusion
was that the images were exactly the same and appeared in the 'catalog' as
mirror images of the same photo. Here are the results:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3188
I don't believe this proves that the images are a fake. I have seen
catalogs where they use mirror images to illustrate left/right versions
of a product. Make your own conclusions.
-Chris
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In lugnet.trains, Christopher Tracey writes:
> Here's the mirror proof:
> I took the images of the points from the 'leaked' catalog and cut them out
> into separate files. I mirrored one of them. I then dropped the red and
> green components from one and the green and blue from the other. I then
> put the opacity of one to 50% while leaving the other opaque. The
> transparent one was placed on top of the other. Any pixel that is the same
> will turn up
> purplish, while a different one will be either red or blue. My conclusion
> was that the images were exactly the same and appeared in the 'catalog' as
> mirror images of the same photo. Here are the results:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3188
very nice technique :)
Dan
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Dan Boger wrote:
> very nice technique :)
standard image processing techique(sorta) for change detection. It's
used a lot in ecological and archaeological studies with a time series
of aerial photographs. You can tell what has changed from time point
to time point just by looking at the different color combinations.
-chris
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Christopher Tracey <ctracey@wamalug.org> wrote:
> Jeff Stembel wrote:
> > Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if they
> > where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try it
> > yourself...
>
> Here's the mirror proof:
> I took the images of the points from the 'leaked' catalog and cut them out
> into separate files. I mirrored one of them. I then dropped the red and
> green components from one and the green and blue from the other. I then
> put the opacity of one to 50% while leaving the other opaque. The
> transparent one was placed on top of the other. Any pixel that is the same
> will turn up
> purplish, while a different one will be either red or blue.
...lol... yea.. simple! :-)
...Chris, u have too much time on ur hands! :-)
> My conclusion
> was that the images were exactly the same and appeared in the 'catalog' as
> mirror images of the same photo. Here are the results:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3188
>
> I don't believe this proves that the images are a fake. I have seen
> catalogs where they use mirror images to illustrate left/right versions
> of a product. Make your own conclusions.
...you can go back to ignoring me now...
wubwub
stephen f roberts
wamalug guy (http://wamalug.org)
wildlink.com
lugnet #160
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Stephen F Roberts wrote:
> ...Chris, u have too much time on ur hands! :-)
maybe, i just tried the same analysis on the two 4 stud track pieces and
i can't tell if they are the same segment copied twice or not. They are
two small to get an accurate judgment.
i'm a geek.
-chris
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Christopher Tracey wrote in message <38E51BAD.B42D5DA9@wamalug.org>...
> Stephen F Roberts wrote:
>
> > ...Chris, u have too much time on ur hands! :-)
>
> maybe, i just tried the same analysis on the two 4 stud track pieces and
> i can't tell if they are the same segment copied twice or not. They are
> two small to get an accurate judgment.
>
> i'm a geek.
I just loaded this picture up into Paintshop Pro and zoomed in. I'm not sure
what kind of effects JPG compression can actually have, but it is
interesting to see that the background immediately around the track and
lettering is not a uniform color, but the rest of the background is. If JPG
compression is the cause (looking at it closer, it must be, the pattern of
non-uniform grey around the track pieces has a very rectangular shape to
it), it is impossible to tell if the two track pieces are the same, if not,
they are not the same image, the studs map to pixels differently.
What may be a better guess is that the bounding box of the upper end ties
for all three track pieces is approximately 87x45 pixes, while the bounding
box of the lower end ties are all about 93x49 (using a somewhat subjective
definition of the bounding box since the JPG compression effects scatter
pixels from the ties another 5-10 pixels or so). Those numbers are kind of
close, but they are also about 10% different, and I would estimate that my
subjective bounding box only has a pixel or two error.
Frank
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There's something that has been bothering me with those pictures of automated
points and I finally realized what it is.
The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both parts
of the point. One is attached to the straight part and the other to the
curved piece. My electric knowledge isn't all that great, but I was under the
impression that part of the point is isolated as the current is switched from
one part to the other. Wouldn't this cause havoc with the motor connections?
If so, then I think we would have proof that someone is laughing quite
foolishly.
Point well,
Andreas Stabno
http://www.megsinet.net/~stabno/SimiLego.htm
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Andreas Stabno <stabno@megsinet.net> wrote in message
news:FsAv72.EDJ@lugnet.com...
> There's something that has been bothering me with those pictures of • automated
> points and I finally realized what it is.
>
> The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both • parts
> of the point. One is attached to the straight part and the other to the
> curved piece. My electric knowledge isn't all that great, but I was under • the
> impression that part of the point is isolated as the current is switched • from
> one part to the other. Wouldn't this cause havoc with the motor
connections?
The outside rails are always live (while there's power being applied to the
track) - the inner rails are switched on or off when the point changes, so
as it is wired, I believe it is correct.
Huw
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> The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both parts
> of the point.
> outside rails are always live (while there's power being applied to the
> track) - the inner rails are switched on or off when the point changes, so
> as it is wired, I believe it is correct.
Yes, Huw, that is correct. However, why not have internal metal wires in the
point? I would think it easier to make it so that the take off was from within
the tie bar than to have the external connection. However, I would view it as
entirely possible that this is a preproduction model.
Someone else commented on the problems of the box being hit by trains, it
shouldn't be, since it is onto the other end of the switch, so it should clear.
James P
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James Powell <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote in message
news:FsB2pJ.JJ9@lugnet.com...
> Someone else commented on the problems of the box being hit by trains, it
> shouldn't be, since it is onto the other end of the switch, so it should • clear.
>
> James P
No, it will NOT CLEAR. It is on the "other side" in regards to being before
the switch, but it is on the curved side instead of the straight side. A
long car going through the switch will "cheat" the curve and hit the box.
If it was on the other side, it would have no problems, as the overhang is
on the inside. (Unless the car juts out enough on the outside of the curve
to cause it to hit the box, but increasing clearance on the front or rear is
easier than increasing clearance in the middle of a car.
This new point motor WILL BE 8-wide hell. If these things come to pass, I
will want them, as I am sure the rest of the GMLTC will. Will this cause
them to switch back to 6 wide rolling stock? And how will John Neal take
it? 8-wide and no switches or 6 wide and DCC? What a dilemma!
Mike
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Poindexter writes:
> This new point motor WILL BE 8-wide hell. If these things come to pass, I
> will want them, as I am sure the rest of the GMLTC will. Will this cause
> them to switch back to 6 wide rolling stock? And how will John Neal take
> it? 8-wide and no switches or 6 wide and DCC? What a dilemma!
>
> Mike
But what a nice dilemma to have! (I'd vote for 8-wide trains...)
John Neal is too busy building *14* wide "G" scale cars... ;-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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I realize that, but what if the simple installation of an automatic point
makes clearance of 8-wide trains impossible? Do we then not allow the
remote points on 8 wide layouts? What about layouts that are 6 wide, but
will connect to 8 wide train layouts? I would still prefer to run 8 wide,
but now it looks like there is an increase to the cost of switching to 8
wide in regards to the opportunity to have remote points, unless you build
your own.
This just makes me question where I stand. I don't mind making my own
points, but when others want to hook up to my layout and I have to tell them
to remove their new cool remote points to let my trains pass through
properly, I feel like it just won't really fly. I prefer 8 wide and I think
it is a lot better. Lego just doesn't seem to really want to make certain
that their designs can handle 8 wide (or extra long 6 wide) trains. I fear
that this is a problem that we will continue to run into, as it will be
unlikely that they will make certain that other train accessories in the
future are compatible with 8-wide trains.
I love the new things I see, but it just makes me a little sad to know that
the point motor could have been on the opposite side and allowed oversize
trains to pass, but was instead put on the current side to save money and
use the mold they already have. It also could have been redesigned to fix
the point geometry while they fixed the point motor location. Sure, I love
the 80% (of what we asked for) that we got, but we can see that it is highly
unlikely that we will get all of the remaining 20% of what we want.
Mike Poindexter
John Gerlach <john.gerlach@bestbuy.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FsB470.51p@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains, Mike Poindexter writes:
> > This new point motor WILL BE 8-wide hell. If these things come to pass, • I
> > will want them, as I am sure the rest of the GMLTC will. Will this cause
> > them to switch back to 6 wide rolling stock? And how will John Neal take
> > it? 8-wide and no switches or 6 wide and DCC? What a dilemma!
> >
> > Mike
>
> But what a nice dilemma to have! (I'd vote for 8-wide trains...)
>
> John Neal is too busy building *14* wide "G" scale cars... ;-)
>
> JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, James Powell writes:
>
> > The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both • parts
> > of the point.
>
>
> > outside rails are always live (while there's power being applied to the
> > track) - the inner rails are switched on or off when the point changes, so
> > as it is wired, I believe it is correct.
>
> Yes, Huw, that is correct. However, why not have internal metal wires in the
> point? I would think it easier to make it so that the take off was from • within
> the tie bar than to have the external connection. However, I would view it as
> entirely possible that this is a preproduction model.
Yes, or that they have solved how to retrofit this mechanism to existing
points, or that they wanted to reuse the tooling for the current points ties
and subplate. Or that it's a hoax.
To people that think I am not willing to admit it's a hoax, I am. I just
happen to be currently convinced it's not based on the evidence so far (but I
haven't read all the way to the end of the group yet!, it could have been
revealed already)
>
> Someone else commented on the problems of the box being hit by trains, it
> shouldn't be, since it is onto the other end of the switch, so it should
clear.
I think the clearance problem comes from hitting the power connectors. 8wides
seem to need to have the power connectors on straight track for a good distance
either way or else overhangs sometimes clip them (especially if you've done
anything funky in your trucks or pilot, etc.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, James Powell writes:
> >
> > Someone else commented on the problems of the box being hit by trains, it
> > shouldn't be, since it is onto the other end of the switch, so it should
> clear.
>
> I think the clearance problem comes from hitting the power connectors. 8wides
> seem to need to have the power connectors on straight track for a good • distance
> either way or else overhangs sometimes clip them (especially if you've done
> anything funky in your trucks or pilot, etc.
>
> ++Lar
Lar and others:
The 8 wides WILL hit that box going through points. My DD40 cannot spur off
on a set of points unless the actual yellow point switch is removes, as it
ovehangs on the inside of the curve by too much. The box is way further
inside. Take a 6x48 train and you will very likely have the same results with
that remote point box that I have with the point switches. That was why I
suggested putting the point motor UNDER the switch, as it can be placed
anywhere and be very large and still remain hidden and not a problem.
Mike
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Poindexter writes:
Note, I will speak of a hypothetical remote control switch which just happens
to resemble something posted which may or may not be a hoax and which may or
may not be OK to talk about.
> Lar and others:
>
> The 8 wides WILL hit that box going through points.
Sigh. Well one could hope that it was done in a modular way. Moving the power
taps as it turns out is actually not that hard. Moving the actuator is.
> My DD40 cannot spur off
> on a set of points unless the actual yellow point switch is removes, as it
> ovehangs on the inside of the curve by too much. The box is way further
> inside. Take a 6x48 train and you will very likely have the same results with
> that remote point box that I have with the point switches. That was why I
> suggested putting the point motor UNDER the switch, as it can be placed
> anywhere and be very large and still remain hidden and not a problem.
Not if you're a plywooder.
Note that for the forseeable future, although I plan to build a module to spec,
my home layout will be table based.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
>
> Andreas Stabno <stabno@megsinet.net> wrote in message
> news:FsAv72.EDJ@lugnet.com...
> > There's something that has been bothering me with those pictures of • automated
> > points and I finally realized what it is.
> >
> > The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both • parts
> > of the point. One is attached to the straight part and the other to the
> > curved piece. My electric knowledge isn't all that great, but I was under • the
> > impression that part of the point is isolated as the current is switched • from
> > one part to the other. Wouldn't this cause havoc with the motor
> connections?
>
> The outside rails are always live (while there's power being applied to the
> track) - the inner rails are switched on or off when the point changes, so
> as it is wired, I believe it is correct.
>
> Huw
Traditional model railways with DCC control have required the 'self-isolating'
points to be hard-wired so that there is power to both rails on both tracks at
all times. This is of course to allow not only movement of trains independant
of the track status but also accessories taking their power from the track
which may be situated at the end of an otherwise 'dead' siding.
Like the power connection to the point motor, there is no reason why this
should be externally wired. It's not like TLC to produce a messy set up like
this.
(Nice pictures, hoax or not.)
Jon
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In lugnet.trains, Andreas Stabno writes:
> There's something that has been bothering me with those pictures of automated
> points and I finally realized what it is.
>
> The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both parts
> of the point. One is attached to the straight part and the other to the
> curved piece. My electric knowledge isn't all that great, but I was under the
> impression that part of the point is isolated as the current is switched from
> one part to the other. Wouldn't this cause havoc with the motor connections?
No. this is exactly where you would have to connect. The outer rails are
unswitched (think about it, they have no points in them, they're unbroken.
If this is a hoax, the hoaxer got this right.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
Also note that they are using many old pieces that haven't been used for
years, like the pitchfork and the 12v timetable sticker thing. And they have
the old necklace and workman torsos. And the Train logo is of very poor
quality. And on and on and on. Oh: and the only new piece is a motor. And
what logo is on top of the dcc thing?
Alan
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In lugnet.trains, Alan Gerber writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Jeff Stembel writes:
> >
> > Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel
> > right... Not to mention the font is wrong...
> Also note that they are using many old pieces that haven't been used for
> years, like the pitchfork and the 12v timetable sticker thing. And they have
> the old necklace and workman torsos. And the Train logo is of very poor
> quality. And on and on and on. Oh: and the only new piece is a motor. And
> what logo is on top of the dcc thing?
> Alan
None of this matters if this is a leaked mockup of preproduction models and
artwork that was created to give a sense of what an ad would look like.
There are lots of new pieces present.. motor, DCC controller, points
controller, short track, powered and unpowered spoker wheels in two sizes.
Just not many new brick elements.
Evaluate this as a leak (in which case we should stop talking about it, leaks
are verboten for discussion here) and not a single criticism is a knock out.
Sure, images got flipped because maybe one points is all that has been done so
far. Sure, some torsos might be off because they're from the parts bins.
etc. Sure, the track was faked because it hasn't been made yet. Sure, bars
and lines are perfect, that's because they were added to an image which has
never been printed so it could be seen what it looked like.
I just got preproduction artwork from a vendor mailed to me earlier today. It
has the same sorts of problems. Won't be there in the final version.
Still could be a hoax though.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
Why aren't the 'leak police' all over this one like a rash?
Tom?
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
Why would we see a leak in German first?
Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
sets?
Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
Well, I guess that digital trains are aimed at an older audience who would
appreciate these models.
But I am surprised there is not a modern hi-tech, hi-speed european train in
there like TCV or Eurostar
I want this to be true as a train fan, but april 1st is too co-incedental
Would not be surprised by 'april fool' post from Paul Rutenberg
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
promotion.
> Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
>
> Why would we see a leak in German first?
These are all the same question.
>
> Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
> sets?
Yes. 3225 recently. most of the 12V line in the farther past.
> Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
> juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
Because they got a clue? That's what I am hoping for, anyway... I want to give
them the benefit of the doubt, that if we whack them over the head enough
times, eventually they get it.
They realized that train heads spend more (per head) than anyone else and if
there is a place for adult specialty marketing, trains is it. This, after all,
is what we have been telling them in these forums, and more importantly, behind
the scenes (from as high as the office of the president of the NMRA) for at
least a year now.
I could be wrong. *IF* this is a hoax, it's a cruel one. And one that took a
lot of work.
++Lar
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> writes:
> Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> promotion.
It's also a promotion for the Verkhers- und Technikmuseum in Berlin
(if it is real, that is). There is a reference to a contest on the
first scan. It should be easy to ask either of them to verify if it
is real. Of course, if this is still a "secret" (the images are
leaked) then we may not get an answer.
I still believe that the scans are real. We've seen promotional
leaflets before which fail to match LEGO's normal layout.
If someone hoaxed this, they must suffer from intense boredom! (And a
lot of LEGO building talent!) ;-)
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> promotion.
Could this in itself be a problem that Lego wouldnt not want to encourage? i.e
the sets are too German.
By that I mean too localised (nothing specific against the Germans I would
like to point out).
If lego want to sell sets on the world stage woulnt they want to produce sets
more like the recent stylised ones that are at least neutral the world over,
rather than modelled on country specific trains.
Building detailed replicas of your countries trains seems sensible for a MOC,
but unless you are going to produce a big range of trains, like the model
train companies do, then wouldnt you go the opposite direction so it has
universal appeal? For example, do you see the US lego train clubs modelling US
rolling stock or UK rolling stock? Would they even know what UK rolling stock
looked like?
To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
something off DB that I have never seen.
But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
train enthusiasts will buy it.
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> > connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> > promotion.
>
> Could this in itself be a problem that Lego wouldnt not want to encourage? i.e
> the sets are too German.
I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
- Germany has the highest per capita brick consumption with 95+% or some such
households with kids having TLC products.
- Germany is a large market (almost 1/2 the US size), one of the wealthiest in
the world, and one of the most self indulgent
- Germany has more model railroaders per capita than anywhere else
- German model railroad companies, and there are a LOT, seem to do better with
"classic era" models (1900-1960 or so) than they do with modern era.
- the last two TLC train designs (not counting 3225 which was a "special") have
been superduper high speed jobbies and have flopped. Now, we know why, because
they aren't that good. But try convincing an exec of that. Doing a classic
design may have been easier to sell.
Rightly or wrongly, TLC ignores the US market now. It isn't positioned to move
track and accessories in the mass market. But properly marketed, these items
will have a high take rate among hobby shops who TLC has ignored. Many US hobby
shops have a large (25%) component of non us prototypes. This is especially
pronounced in G scale where LGB is dominant.
> To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
> they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
> highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
> see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
> something off DB that I have never seen.
To be honest, modern euro passenger does nothing for me. Too boring, too
similar. Seen one TGV you've seen them all. Yawn. But I like freight. Old time
euro passenger at least is "cute".
> But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
> train enthusiasts will buy it.
I am visualising a GG1 built using the red boxcab drive components already. So
heck yes, bring them on.
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
I'd also add that German prototypes probably have the most world
recognition from a model perspective because of the dominance of the
German model railroad industry (for example, most people, myself
included, commonly refer to G scale as LGB instead). It is true that
both the US and the UK have strong model railroad industries, but how
much of that stuff is on the shelves of stores in other countries?
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I think that most all of the first-round of gray-track 12v era sets were
modeled after German trains. The 7745 red/black/white 12v passenger train
broke the mold in year 1987(?).
Recognition and target product to the primary audience would be my guess for
general marketing.
Just enjoying the photos, hype, discussion, and anticipation...
:-)
I'm having fun. Almost more fun than building. ;-)
later,
James Mathis
In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
>
> I'd also add that German prototypes probably have the most world
> recognition from a model perspective because of the dominance of the
> German model railroad industry (for example, most people, myself
> included, commonly refer to G scale as LGB instead). It is true that
> both the US and the UK have strong model railroad industries, but how
> much of that stuff is on the shelves of stores in other countries?
>
> --
> Frank Filz
>
> -----------------------------
> Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
> Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes: • <snip>
> Building detailed replicas of your countries trains seems sensible for a MOC,
> but unless you are going to produce a big range of trains, like the model
> train companies do, then wouldnt you go the opposite direction so it has
> universal appeal? For example, do you see the US lego train clubs modelling US
> rolling stock or UK rolling stock? Would they even know what UK rolling stock
> looked like?
I don't agree one bit. While I might not know what UK train rolling stock
looks like, (but I do,) that would not deter me one bit. For any new train
enthusiest in Lego Train, anything you can get your hands on is a good thing.
>
> To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
> they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
> highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
> see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
> something off DB that I have never seen.
Maybe I want some of the romance of an Oriental express type train and model
type. If not, the great thing about Lego is redesign. I can redo it.
> But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
> train enthusiasts will buy it.
We are beggars. We have been for years. I've practically cried looking for
Lego train at TRU for the past 5 years, (until this last year). They could
make something in that nasty cyberslam green for all I care, as long as it has
train trucks under it. I'd use it eventually for something.
>
> regards
> lawrence
Rich
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
> Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
>
> Why would we see a leak in German first?
>
> Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
> sets?
In my opinion, yes. In 1981, I eleven years old on a Europe trip with my
family. We were in Germany, soon to travel to Denmark to visit LEGOLAND,
Billund. In Germany, my family went to a toy shop where I saw the 7820 red
Mail Waggon. Knowing that we would soon be in LEGOLAND, my parents opted to
wait to get me any LEGO train sets until then. Poor choice, for LEGOLAND had
not yet received any of the gray-track 12v trains at all. Germany was first to
get them. Don't know if toy shops in Denmark got them before LEGOLAND, or not.
We reasoned that "normal" retail toy outlets may get them first due to wider
market availability. Or, that perhaps LEGO considered Germany a "better"
market for sales. Dunno.
> Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
> juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
> Well, I guess that digital trains are aimed at an older audience who would
> appreciate these models.
> But I am surprised there is not a modern hi-tech, hi-speed european train in
> there like TCV or Eurostar
I'd like to see this type of train, too. As long as most of the "new" models
are German, perhaps the ICE-3. I have mulled that design over for months. The
nose of the ICE-3 is just TOO sleek for any design concept my pidly brain can
imagine. But, that's the challenge I love, so I don't know if I'd want to see
an entire dedicated one-specialized-piece to build the front of an ICE-3. Then,
again, if there were, I'm sure I'd buy it....
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, this is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
Does anyone care to guestimate how much these sets might cost?
I'm thinking I need multiple copies of each set!
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
Wow.
There's got to be a better way to increase your hit count on a free web page
than posting hoax train pictures. Nice models, though.
Ed
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I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
hotmail address to boot.
2) His homepage (once translated with babelfish) is decidedly non-Lego.
There are some legoish links but these all wind up in a stock Tripod
shopping page.
3) Those big silver wheels...I'm planning to use these in a MOC of my own
soon. I got the idea from Ben Fleskes' SP&S 700 engine
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1857/700.htm). Make those
wheels black and chrome the rims (which is, I admit, a neat trick in itself)
and see if you don't have a match.
4) Yeah, it's a bad angle, but that round tile atop the 4460 looks
suspiciously like the imperial logo tile used in the Tie Fighter.
5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
building with no interior access?
6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
sections?
7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
reassembled.
Now, having said all that....
THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
pictures of these creations.
Will
Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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Will Hess wrote:
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
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In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> Will Hess wrote:
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
>
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
Jeff
P.S. For the Calender Impaired, tomorrow is April 1st. :)
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"Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> writes:
> Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
I find it quite a bit strange if someone went to _these_lengths_ to
make an April fool's joke, and didn't even get the date correct! ;-)
True, it may have been April 1st in New Zealand when it was posted,
but certainly not in Germany!
And why didn't he post it to RTL as well?
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> writes:
>
> > Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
>
> I find it quite a bit strange if someone went to _these_lengths_ to
> make an April fool's joke, and didn't even get the date correct! ;-)
This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
tomorrow...
Jeff
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> This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
> tomorrow...
>
> Jeff
So should the finger pointing start ... ?
I point to ... :
The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become concerned
at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to do
something about it”...
-- pn ;)
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Pawel wrote:
> I point to ... :
> The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become >concerned at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to >do something about it”...
Nope, nothing to do with us (assuming you mean we might have produced
this hoax train page) and our announcement itself is not an April Fool
either (in case that was what you meant).
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In lugnet.trains, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> > This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
> > tomorrow...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> So should the finger pointing start ... ?
>
> I point to ... :
>
> The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become concerned
> at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to do
> something about it”...
While we're capable of work this good, or better(1), it would be coming from
me, based on our current guild membership, and I don't do eurotrash. Even old,
cute eurotrash. I also don't hack on bricks (which would be necessary to do the
wheels) and our graphics guy, while insanely great(2), isn't good enough to
doctor images to this level (scanner flaws and all!)
So no. The GoB is very real but this is not our work. We also would never ever
claim that it was TLC created, (but let me go review our disclaimers), we'd be
trumpeting it as our own. We don't violate TLC copyrights and trade dress.
Wait. We'll be topping this. Just wait.
1 - no false modesty necessary
2 - he *is* a mac guy so I think insanely great fits...
++Lar
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> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Perhaps the person who did all this is convinced that he / she can create
models that are on par with or better than "official" releases. All this
hubbub would then serve to affirm this persons belief.
Awww...that's too psycho-babblish! Someone just wants to have fun at the
world's expense. Still...I'm gonna copy those pics to my hard drive before
thy disappear too :-) Such inspiration!
Will
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> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
Plus ... a pack with only three track pieces in it? What is this ... "Train
Polybags"?
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Because if it wasn't for those annoying kids they would have gotten away
with it! Let's give Jeff his Scooby Snacks:) I think they might have done it
as a self-challenge for themselves. I wonder if they would have gotten the
same analysis if they didn't post so close to April 1st ... Plus, some people
have a sick sense of humor, no?
-- pn
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> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
would MOCs get *this* much attention? :)
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In lugnet.trains, Jennifer L. Boger writes:
> would MOCs get *this* much attention? :)
If they were this good? Almost but not quite.
++Lar
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Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:38E4EAB0.5358@mindspring.com...
> Will Hess wrote:
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
>
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead,
Larry and other bricksmiths,
If this is a hoax, I think you have found a new guildsman that could
generate a ton of sales!
Mike Poindexter
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In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
<snip>
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it looks
to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
-Andy Lynch
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> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
>
> I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it • looks
> to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
I just blew these up in my image editor and can say with certainty that the
three most obvious cuts are:
1) perpendicular (sp?) to the rail, and
2) in the exact same place for all three track parts!!
Will
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Will Hess wrote:
>
> > > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > > reassembled.
> >
> >
> > I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it • looks
> > to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> > scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> > rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> > horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
>
> I just blew these up in my image editor and can say with certainty that the
> three most obvious cuts are:
>
> 1) perpendicular (sp?) to the rail, and
> 2) in the exact same place for all three track parts!!
Additionally, it looks like the jag in the left rail is due to the
perspective on the picture of a regular piece of track resulting in a
size difference when the track is shortened (it even seems like the jag
may be a bit more pronounced on the 1/4 track sections as compared to
the 1/2 track section).
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
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Andrew Lynch wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> <snip>
> >
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
>
> I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it looks
> to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
>
> -Andy Lynch
True - magnify the image, and you see that the jaggies are only across ONE side
of the track, and even the shadow is shifted a bit. I could do a better job of
"shortening" track in PSP if I really felt the need to. In fact, if someone
will scan a piece of track at the same angle as the ones shown in 4465 and send
it to me, I'll prove it ;-)
--
| Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp
| Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
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In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
>
> 1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
> hotmail address to boot.
I won one of this guy's auctions of old bricks a few months ago. That's his
real name and the hotmail address is the one he uses to do his auctions. I
don't think that he would use all of his real info to pull a hoax on LUGNETers.
Gloria.
>
> 2) His homepage (once translated with babelfish) is decidedly non-Lego.
> There are some legoish links but these all wind up in a stock Tripod
> shopping page.
>
> 3) Those big silver wheels...I'm planning to use these in a MOC of my own
> soon. I got the idea from Ben Fleskes' SP&S 700 engine
> (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1857/700.htm). Make those
> wheels black and chrome the rims (which is, I admit, a neat trick in itself)
> and see if you don't have a match.
>
> 4) Yeah, it's a bad angle, but that round tile atop the 4460 looks
> suspiciously like the imperial logo tile used in the Tie Fighter.
>
> 5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
> thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
> brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
> building with no interior access?
>
> 6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
> minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
> sections?
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
>
>
> Now, having said all that....
>
> THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
> pictures of these creations.
>
>
>
> Will
>
> Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
> www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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In lugnet.trains, Gloria Summers writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> > I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
> >
> > 1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
> > hotmail address to boot.
>
> I won one of this guy's auctions of old bricks a few months ago. That's his
> real name and the hotmail address is the one he uses to do his auctions. I
> don't think that he would use all of his real info to pull a hoax on
> LUGNETers.
>
> Gloria.
If it is an April Fool's joke, then he might (I probably would in his place).
I certainly wouldn't hate him or anything for this, if it is, in fact, his own
hoax. I'd kinda admire him for being able too fool so many people for an April
Fool's joke. :)
Jeff
BTW, Jenn Boger pointed out to me that Lego has never made a train in a single
bland color like the 4450. Even 7725 had a little variety in its roof, and was
made in a somewhat lively color. :)
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Will wrote:
> 5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
> thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
> brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
> building with no interior access?
I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a Lego
plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows and
doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
>
> 6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
> minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
> sections?
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
>
>
> Now, having said all that....
>
> THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
> pictures of these creations.
>
>
>
> Will
>
> Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
> www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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> I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a • Lego
> plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows • and
> doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
That's my impression. The entire setup (which can be interpreted any way
you wish :-) appears to be rural, as the rolling stock features a horse car
and a pair of nice looking tractors.
Will
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Wow-
Check out the light grey treasure chest and a new bench...pretty interesting
to see old parts come alive...
-jeremy
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In lugnet.trains, Gloria Summers writes:
> I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a Lego
> plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows and
> doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
Note that the map is from the 1996 police station(I think)
Alan
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Now there is an email on the web page!
spam@papierkorb.de
hmmmm, i don't like the look of this at all dang it!
jt
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Well it was there, now it disappeared
James J. Trobaugh wrote in message ...
> Now there is an email on the web page!
> spam@papierkorb.de
>
> hmmmm, i don't like the look of this at all dang it!
>
> jt
>
>
>
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(canceled)
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"James J. Trobaugh" <thinice@avana.net> writes:
> Well it was there, now it disappeared
It's back again now. And I don't like the look of the mail address,
too!
But he has also put up a link to some old catalogue scans!
http://legoit.itgo.com/Kataloge.html
I haven't seen the first ones before, and they're great!
Wether the original scans are a hoax or not (I don't know myself), at
least this person must be pretty interested in LEGO.
Fredrik
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Paul Rutenberg <paul_germany@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FsA9v1.9Cs@lugnet.com...
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
The problem I have with believing this is that virtually all of our
collective dreams appear to have come true:
Digital control
half-length rail sections
Motorised points
Decent passenger coaches
large motor wheels
A train station that looks like a train station
Fantastic doors and other parts for freight trains
Coincidence or what?
I sure hope it is real, though...
Huw
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"Paul Rutenberg" <paul_germany@hotmail.com> writes:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
Is this a hoax or not? Egon Eiermann, the person who made the above
link tries to argue that it is not an April fool's joke in the link
below. (If my German isn't completely rotten, that is! ;-)
Check out yourself!
http://www.f5.parsimony.net/forum5725/
At least lugnet.trains isn't the only group to believe that it is a
hoax!
Fredrik
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Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> writes:
> http://www.f5.parsimony.net/forum5725/
A guy called Ralf says this:
Hallo Egon,was muss ich Dir für die Modelle bieten? :^) Spass
beiseite,es stimmt tatsächlich! Ich habe gerade mit meinem
Bekannten im Norden gesprochen.Er arbeitet in einer der
Verlage,die für Lego die Pläne usw. drucken.Die veröffentlichte
Seite ist ein Entwurf eines Mitarbeiters und noch nicht in
Druck gegangen.Aber die Modelle gibt es wirklich!!! Ich freue
mich jedenfalls tierisch auf die neuen Teile.
If I'm not mistaken, he says that the "scans" are not scans but drafts
not yet printed. Of course, it still remains to see if this "Ralf"
person can be trusted! :-/
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner wrote:
> Check out yourself!
>
> http://www.f5.parsimony.net/forum5725/
>
> At least lugnet.trains isn't the only group to believe that it is a
> hoax!
Wow! Now this gives me a *real* reason to learn a second language. ;)
Most posters seem to be saying the same things as people here at
LUGNET...
Steve
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In lugnet.trains, Steve Bliss writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner wrote:
> > Check out yourself!
> >
> > http://www.f5.parsimony.net/forum5725/
> >
> > At least lugnet.trains isn't the only group to believe that it is a
> > hoax!
>
> Wow! Now this gives me a *real* reason to learn a second language. ;)
Or just be lazy and use altavista.
Alan
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I've been following this all morning trying to find a good place to jump in
and decided to get in at the start.
Some think it's a hoax others hope that it is not, but I think that is is
possibly real. Let me bring up a few things up I've not heard before:
Lots of people are saying LEGO hasn't done this, that or something else
before. My response: Lego is doing a lot of things differently now then even
five years ago. Notably a reduced time to market. Early internal promo
material may easily include old logos as place holders, and digitally modified
artwork while they make refinements and arrange for final artwork, images etc.
For example: They may very well know that they will have a set with a four
stud and eight stud long track section. But not have a piece to shoot for a
sample marketing layout. Any decent graphic designer could mock up something
for the purposes of internal review.
This could easily be a hoax. But in my mind, it could also, very reasonably,
be a sneak peak at the upcoming product line.
One things makes me believe the models are actual LEGO models. The metal
wheels. Metalic objects are very difficult to photoshop realistically and even
more difficult to get reflections (relatively easy with povray and such), but
not so in photoshop. Notice the light reflections on the ground in front of
the wheels - I believe this is an actual photograph of a LEGO model with metal
wheels. I further believe that it is a LEGO model, built by a LEGO employee,
for it difficult to have such wheels made and interface as cleanly as those
do. Finally, I suspect the connecting rods are prototype versions.
To wrap up, hoax or not, my hat goes off to the model builder, AFOL or LEGO
employee, whichever the case. These models are fine LEGO trains.
Ben F
In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
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Heck, maybe LEGO intentially leaked these picture to see what kind of reaction
they'd get from the train fanatics here on LUGNET??
Or, maybe I've been watching too much "X Files"... ;-)
In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes writes:
> I've been following this all morning trying to find a good place to jump in
> and decided to get in at the start.
>
> Some think it's a hoax others hope that it is not, but I think that is is
> possibly real. Let me bring up a few things up I've not heard before:
>
> Lots of people are saying LEGO hasn't done this, that or something else
> before. My response: Lego is doing a lot of things differently now then even
> five years ago. Notably a reduced time to market. Early internal promo
> material may easily include old logos as place holders, and digitally modified
> artwork while they make refinements and arrange for final artwork, images etc.
>
> For example: They may very well know that they will have a set with a four
> stud and eight stud long track section. But not have a piece to shoot for a
> sample marketing layout. Any decent graphic designer could mock up something
> for the purposes of internal review.
>
> This could easily be a hoax. But in my mind, it could also, very reasonably,
> be a sneak peak at the upcoming product line.
>
> One things makes me believe the models are actual LEGO models. The metal
> wheels. Metalic objects are very difficult to photoshop realistically and even
> more difficult to get reflections (relatively easy with povray and such), but
> not so in photoshop. Notice the light reflections on the ground in front of
> the wheels - I believe this is an actual photograph of a LEGO model with metal
> wheels. I further believe that it is a LEGO model, built by a LEGO employee,
> for it difficult to have such wheels made and interface as cleanly as those
> do. Finally, I suspect the connecting rods are prototype versions.
>
> To wrap up, hoax or not, my hat goes off to the model builder, AFOL or LEGO
> employee, whichever the case. These models are fine LEGO trains.
>
> Ben F
>
>
>
>
>
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
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Check out this page:
http://home.t-online.de/home/CAL--/dampflok.htm
The BR 44 in particular...
Looks very similar...also, the upside-down radar dishes are used in the
BR 24.
--
Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
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I've seen metal rims before look at
http://www.pnltc.org/Gal_PDX_GATS_Q199/crash/crash%20-%204-4-0.JPG
Jon is a machenist and had these made in his shop 18 months ago! Looks like
they owe Jon a free set ;)
As for different colored bricks the gray train wheel covers is a 2 min job in
photo shop as is the green burps, OK 20 min to do it right.
As for train doors with stripe, its called tape!
http://www.pnltc.org/imgGal_ep2full.jpg
My thought is that there isn't enough new parts here, they are either real old
parts, existing parts in new colors or (the track) easily faked. I thought we
all agreed that every new LEGO set has at least one new unique piece???
Also, my contact inside of LEGO tells me that there are shelves of trains that
the modelers made as protos. And that they are very busy integrating mind
storm technology into trains (not that they will ever see the light of day,
but still the work goes on there).
One thing I do know is that these are nice trains, who ever made them.
SteveB
PNLTC
PS Larry, the lighting sucks for these shots the shadows are very unpro! It's
called a fill light, they seemed to have forgotten it.
In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes writes:
> I've been following this all morning trying to find a good place to jump in
> and decided to get in at the start.
>
> Some think it's a hoax others hope that it is not, but I think that is is
> possibly real. Let me bring up a few things up I've not heard before:
>
> Lots of people are saying LEGO hasn't done this, that or something else
> before. My response: Lego is doing a lot of things differently now then even
> five years ago. Notably a reduced time to market. Early internal promo
> material may easily include old logos as place holders, and digitally modified
> artwork while they make refinements and arrange for final artwork, images etc.
>
> For example: They may very well know that they will have a set with a four
> stud and eight stud long track section. But not have a piece to shoot for a
> sample marketing layout. Any decent graphic designer could mock up something
> for the purposes of internal review.
>
> This could easily be a hoax. But in my mind, it could also, very reasonably,
> be a sneak peak at the upcoming product line.
>
> One things makes me believe the models are actual LEGO models. The metal
> wheels. Metalic objects are very difficult to photoshop realistically and even
> more difficult to get reflections (relatively easy with povray and such), but
> not so in photoshop. Notice the light reflections on the ground in front of
> the wheels - I believe this is an actual photograph of a LEGO model with metal
> wheels. I further believe that it is a LEGO model, built by a LEGO employee,
> for it difficult to have such wheels made and interface as cleanly as those
> do. Finally, I suspect the connecting rods are prototype versions.
>
> To wrap up, hoax or not, my hat goes off to the model builder, AFOL or LEGO
> employee, whichever the case. These models are fine LEGO trains.
>
> Ben F
>
>
>
>
>
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
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Hello,
why so much doubt? Believed in the good in the world and be happy on beautiful
Lego that will soon come.
I made no April joke! But I don't have made the scans.
Greeting from Germany
Egon Eiermann (legoit)
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Egon,
I think that the timing of your announcement was just plain unlucky.
But for us to believe you (and yes we all WANT to believe you), please provide
some more information.
Especially regarding:
- Where did you find out about this
- Why is it not in the standard official Lego format
And I'm sure there are plenty of others with questions too.
Either way, I think that the models shown were stunning.
Thanks Egon.
Regards
Santosh
In lugnet.trains, Egon Eiermann writes:
> Hello,
>
> why so much doubt? Believed in the good in the world and be happy on beautiful
> Lego that will soon come.
> I made no April joke! But I don't have made the scans.
>
> Greeting from Germany
> Egon Eiermann (legoit)
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In lugnet.trains, Egon Eiermann writes:
> why so much doubt? Believed in the good in the world and be happy on beautiful
> Lego that will soon come.
People think LEGO are incapable of making great sets anymore - these sets are
sensational.
> I made no April joke! But I don't have made the scans.
I know it was March 31st, I'll have to wait till November for them to come out.
Carbon 60
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I am disturbed by the apparent lack of attention from the folks who run this
forum. Wasn't there a big brou ha ha (sp) about the last 'unofficial
scans'? What gives? Please do not read this as an indication that the
'folks who run this forum' are indeed part of this hoax.
I must admit, I giggled quite a few times reading this thread! Kudos to the
maintainers of this fine and great service! This is what entertainment is
all about!
John Matthews
P.S. No, I am not a part of this hoax, if indeed it is one.
Paul Rutenberg <paul_germany@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FsA9v1.9Cs@lugnet.com...
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, • gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
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