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Re: Another one of those 'what's wrong with TPM' posts
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Wed, 31 May 2000 23:41:27 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, Mark Sandlin writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Dave Schuler writes:
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> > > This is my statement to those people: If you can't pay attention to the
> > > story, then quit complaining about how bad the plot is.
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> > At the same time, one cannot ignore the actual problems with the plot,
> > whether or not someone else decides to "pay attention" or not. Further,
> > "paying attention" to the plot doesn't simply mean carefully watching • what
> > happens--it means noting and relfecting upon the dramatic, rhetorical, • and
> > narrative choices made in the telling.
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> But how can you make those notes and/or reflect on anything if you didn't
> pay attention to the plot to begin with? I can't tell you how many times I've
> asked people to explain their opinion and they can't tell me why they think
> the plot is bad, or what exactly is bad about it. That's an indication to me
> that they're simply repeating movie critics so they can sound like they're
> better than all the Star Wars Geeks (myself included).
We're basically agreeing here, though our aesthetic opinions are in conflict.
Thoughtful criticism demands close viewing/reading. Perhaps the problem is
less specifically with plot than with particular elements of pacing and story.
The introduction of midichlorians, for instance, is wholly unforgiveable,
since it reduces the sweeping mysticism of Star Wars to the technobabble of the
week of Star Trek (which I like, in Star Trek, but that's another universe!)
> You're assuming that because Qui-Gon doesn't say anything about it that
> he doesn't know it. Notice how he doesn't act surprised when Amidala
> reveals herself to the Gungans.
Okay, perhaps we can write off Qui-Gon, but not in a really satisfactory way.
I would have preferred *some* indication prior to the revelation that he'd
realized it. I'm sure Jedi have great poker faces, so maybe he was utterly
surprised but didn't show it. I don't blame Liam Neeson--this, once again, is
the fault of poor character direction.
Dave!
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| (...) I can't agree more. This midichlorian thing is the one and only thing that I never apologize, in any condition. Jat Jar, ewoks, some stupidity about the plot are all could be accepted in extend, but this midichlorian thing!.. It completely (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) way. (...) Now maybe it is just me but the second viewing I had this overwhelming thought that Qui-Gon knew he was taking the real Queen out on Tattooine. It also seemed he kept trying to call her bluff. i.e. "The Queen trusts my Judgement and (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) what (...) and (...) But how can you make those notes and/or reflect on anything if you didn't pay attention to the plot to begin with? I can't tell you how many times I've asked people to explain their opinion and they can't tell me why they (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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