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Re: Another one of those 'what's wrong with TPM' posts
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Wed, 31 May 2000 21:16:25 GMT
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> TPM was meant to be a picture of the Old Republic, just as it's starting to
> crumble. It was meant to show the Jedi in the height of their grandeur
> and ability. It was meant to show political maneuverings of a
> pre-emperor Palpatine.
Very true. It is intended to show the fall of the Old Republic, the skillful
connivings of a little known senator from Naboo, and how one boy can have such a
dramatic effect on the fate of the universe.
> It's the FIRST CHAPTER, people. Who quits reading a book after the first
> chapter, declaring that the book sucks?
Me, if it's one of the Kevin J. Anderson books. Fortunately, the other SWEU
writers actually know what they are writing about. Timothy Zahn comes to mind.
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> Unfortunately, I think people paid too much attention to the special effects
> and missed a lot of the story. Even people I know who are usually into
> dramas and plot missed many of the plot points around pivotal
> characters... they were like, "who? I don't remember that." Then they go
> on to talk about how it was all special effects.
Exactly! Notice what academy awards TPM was nominated for: visual effects, and
sound. Naturally, it was swept by the Matrix, even if those effects were
different and not necessarily better. Plot-wise, TPM was better than 95% of the
movies that came out last year. Unfortunately, the plot was overshadowed by both
it's effects (incl. Jar-Jar) and the superior plots of those remaining 5%.
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> This is my statement to those people: If you can't pay attention to the
> story, then quit complaining about how bad the plot is.
I should point out that audiences as a whole are getting...dumber. If you don't
spell everything out for them, they just won't get it. Audiences would rather
see a 2 hour music video with special effects galore than a 2 hour great story.
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> Apparently Palpatine's maneuverings were so skillful they went
> unnoticed by many of the critics and me-too critics out there... then again,
> the critics hated the original movies as well.
Critics should be ignored. Their training is irrelevant. Go with your gut
instinct and quit listening to what the 'paid professionals' (bribed folks with
connections) tell you.
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> I will admit that TPM had its problems with acting and perhaps people
> had trouble following the plot... but it's not the horrible mess that the
> me-too bandwagon likes to preach about.
Granted, Anakin whined far too much for my tastes, but he is a kid raised as a
slave on a desert planet. He had reason to whine. Jar-Jar had no such reason.
Pull the lightsaber out of Qui-Jonn's rear and the acting their might have been
worth watching as well.
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> I suppose I was able to follow the movie because I cared about the story
> to begin with... so maybe one of the problems lies in the film's inability to
> easily convey its plot.
Exactly. I truly enjoyed TPM. I felt the story was far surerior to ANH and ROTJ.
Jar-Jar was what killed it for me. Remember- 2hr video vs. plot. Which sells
more tickets? The video. This is also the reason you can't find the 6 hour
version of Dune. Only the 2 hour version is readily available.
-Dave
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> ~Mark
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| (...) a (...) What?! Anderson does a far more competent job than Zahn. I swear Zahn thought he was writing Trek novels. Lets see he describes Turbolasers as a beam (like phasers) in stead of bolts, he gave and X-wing a crappy sub-space antena (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) not (...) I don't see this as a problem. I think one of the real problems is that people went to see TPM, expecting it to be a stylistic copy of ANH: a swashbuckling adventure against a powerful Empire. That's not what it's about. TPM was (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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