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Snipped for effect. (...) "Again" as in; you previously had it figured out, seemed to have gone through a patch just now where you didn't, and now you do have it figured out "again". NOT as in; you got into it with him before... Helps? (...) As far (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well said Richard. What I would endeavour to change in the above, though, is, well, let me put it this way-- Having a debate where one side says, "This, this, this, this and this proves my point" (of course, all 'this''s are backed up by link (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> intellectual posturor! (...) This is what I meant by Spock phrasing it better--he said something like 'on a planet with positive gravity'--it's ST:TOS--when was the last time I caught one of those episodes? ;) I don't have to witness (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Y'know, I've actually thought about Scott's communciation style here a little bit and my general impression is that he, like many of us, tries to read what is here and make reasonably quick responses without getting too bogged down in the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh, was it that many? The amusing thing is that in my very first post I noted that my answers to him were not entirely serious, nor did they particularly represent my own viewpoint. As to the "again?? this time??" I must note that I don't (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I knew this -- but she also appears fairly regularly on the 700 Club so I still think she is an Xtian nutcase. We could certainly say she has enormous right-wing Xtian nutcase sympathies. Without looking it up, because I don't care (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was unclear--my bad. You're 100% correct that there's no real script for her show, so I should have been more precise in my accusation. It's been documented that the Rush Limbaugh radio show, for example, screens its callers, and I believe (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A minor digression... You *do* need to make further observations to determine if it's true that the hammer would fall. Either you would need to make your deduction based on your witnessing of the descent of the hammer from your hand to the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Please don't call me Shirley. How does one explain the movie "Airplane" to anyone else? It's one of my favourite "funniest of all-time" movies... it comes across like the Stooges, but (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you seemed to have figured that out (again?? this time?? (1) ) faster than I used to do.. only what, 40-50 posts in that thread between the two of you? Contrast that with me and he(2), we've managed to spin out hundreds of posts in one (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is faulty-- she is Jewish. -John (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now there's a question worth pursuing... A local DJ (Derringer in the mornings on Q107--Toronto's Classic Rock station--shameless plug for my favourite radio station) decided to call up Harpo productions after the Emmy's to see if he could get (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hahaha! Guilty. I'm amused that he seems ("seems": I don't read his posts any more, but I do note what message he is replying to) to be going back and arguing with old posts of mine since I'm not posting new ones to him. I mean, pathetic. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, it does make one wonder doesn't it? On a certain level Dr. Laura *recreated* herself a while back as an Xtian nut/therapist. My memory may be faulty here, but I don't think she has ANY of the perceived credentials that one would normally (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And my point still stands--whether I'm citing West Wing, the DOI, the Bible or just common sense, what does it matter where the cite came from--if the cite is Just, proper and gosh darn it, makes alotta sense, why does it matter where it came (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> My point stands. You're welcome to get your ideas about reality from wherever you like, including from TV shows that force feed bias while pretending to be balanced... Just don't cite them in (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I were to pose the hypothesis--"If I were to let go of a hammer, the hammer would fall. I do not have to watch the hammer fall to see that this is true."--what does it matter *where* this hypothesis came from? This line (paraphrased to be (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I trust you're not claiming that the Dr. Laura Show is fictional as in "written and acted out". She does host a radio show, people do call in, and she does respond to them as presented. The relative merits of said show are of course (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point is that Leo perceives that people are distressingly apt to get their political views from fictional programs. No doubt Leo would include such fictions as the 700 Club and Rush Limbaugh's daily spew, as well as the film (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember a relatively huge controversy amongst the legal profession--"L.A. Law does not show what it's really like in the legal profession." A radio DJ at the time quipped, "WKRP is nothing like how a radio station works either, but I still (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course! But it had to be salt obtained through the government purchasing system, which effectively brought the price to about $65 per pound. Maggie (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROFL. I just hope that's not true. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are putting words in my mouth again. (...) I was not referring to an attack. If you were, I misunderstood you. (...) A dodge? (...) You seem to be under the impression that I should jump through your hoops. I'm not trying to deceive (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I saw his column today in the Grand Rapids Press. So I thought I'd share it with you. But of course to just cut and paste it in here is copyright infringement, not fair use, so if you want to see what he thinks, you'll have to follow a link. Here's (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hell, no! I AM the PINKO, ANTI-CHRIST! }:) ...okay, I admit I was just exaggerating -- I am not actually a pinko. -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I take your meaning, then it sounds like it worked as well as any other ritual. Was each applicant also required to throw salt over his left shoulder? Dave! (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't work very well, did it? :-) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and here it is [it looks abridged]: (URL) has also written other reports from Argentina/ S. America; just search for her name on the site. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) You are misrepresenting me. (...) That's my informed opinion. (...) <snip> (...) Yeah. Yeah. Just keep jumping to conclusions. On 911 only one country on the planet was really talking to MO. About the 1st thing Bush did when he got out (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was either he or Truman-- no, wait, Truman was the guy who made all Federal workers swear on a stack of Bibles they aren't Communists.... Maggie C. (23 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No truer words were ever written. The North American Game Preserve -- replete with X-Box, 17" flatscreens, downloaded porn, the boat in the drive, the BMW-Mercedes-whathaveyou parked behind it, a room full of lego... ...hey, that could be my (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't he the "one nation, under God" guy? Dave! (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am refering to the majority of Americans. I get the impression that they are comfortable so they do not care. (...) Well I was thinking: privileges = lavish consumer goods and services, false sense of security, etc. principles = civil (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The imperialism angle reminded me of this piece on the "Pax Americana": (URL) Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. As far as we know(1), the M1A1 hasn't been used in real combat anywhere other than desert terrain. It was designed for deployment to the tanker's paradise of Northern Europe though, right? 1 - this is an important caveat. fnord. (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think this is an accurate description at all. Americans do ACT and they often pay a much higher price than you might imagine. (...) Hmmm, I don't know this one. But if the equations are: privileges = rights (as is done in a lot of case (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So in Iraq, the majority of people want to do something but they can not. In the US, the majority of people can do something but they do not want to. My head hurts. I guess it is as Eisenhower said: "A country that values its privledges above (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A dodge? You mean you don't want to explain your bunker-buster comment, tell us what the USA's official response to SH gassing his own people was, why you want to view Iraq in isolation or even what is “all Britain's fault”? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that is bad. But how about imprisoned with all of your attorneys? (URL) about jailed without bail, right to an atty, or the possibility of a writ of habeas corpus? I'll leave it to Larry P. to provide the cites should the need arise (you (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, now that I think about it, has the M1A1 been used in combat anywhere *except* desert terrain? Regardless of Desert Storm Part Deux, I suppose a case could be made for sand camo as the "default" color for that kit. Tamiya's had a nice (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.build.military)
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Unfortunatly it looks like the link wraped so copying and pasting will be nessecary. (URL) interesting article. Especially considering he recognizes Bush's real motivation. -Mike Petrucelli (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Debate?! Bah! You're only sending it there because you're afraid to face me on my home turf of ot.clones! Dave! (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) the gatekeepers never learn? Get out of the way! My latest cd purchases included stuff by Lydia Lunch, Medieaval Baebes, Lou Reed, Poe, Tim Buckley, and Murder Inc. Did I need the radio, MTV, VHI, or the music press (such as it is) to locate (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not quite, but that would nice. :) The quote above only tells us that Bruce is against a "unilateral attack on Iraq", not that Bruce does not share Bushes selfish unilateral outlook as far as the wider world is concerned. The difference is (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just ignore him. We both now he'll never concede anything. The guy has no shame. Bruce (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think that this political group can use LEGO(tm) to express their ideas without restriction as long as they follow the same rules that AFOL's do. They must avoid the LEGO brand name and trademarks. They should be careful to state that there is no (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I did. My point is that SH's track record can't be looked at in isolation.... he is of our making. He is trying to develop WoMD - that's bad. But what gives Bush, the president of a country with a colourful WoMD track record, a right (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are you looking for, certain verbiage? Come off it. Chris (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool! I think it's a neat political message. The only problem is that lumber and cement are so much cheaper that I'd expect them to be able to actually build several houses for the poor with the money they'll be spending on LEGO. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The irony of that analogy is that some Argentinean farmers are selling their produce overseas in order to get more $$, the result is growing malnutrition. There was a really good piece in the Observer yesterday about the winners and losers in (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not how I view it. (...) You did not "specifically" say you don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. Scott A (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I missed this. Is this really the best you can do? Are you saying that only "7.5 thousand pound bunker busters" were dropped and that airmen did not have to fly at altitude to avoid the Stingers the USA had given to the Afghans? Is this (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I'm not aware we did? What was the USA's official response? How did it act? Educate me. I’m genuinely interested. Scott A (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <sarcasm alert! :-) > (...) While I agree with the above, I think Dan might referring more to the fact that this model is being released in desert camo (gee, for use where?), then that it's a military model that is well done and meeting the (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.build.military, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bricks, yes. But what if the bricks are recognised as "LEGO" by anyone in the country? Does it affect the brand name? (...) My point is there, precisely; LEGO is a universal brand, and like "Coke", it can be used to describe a range of (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my opinion, bricks are long enough in the tooth to be considered more of a "medium of expression" rather than just a toy. A mere brick is pretty dull in and of itself. When you break it down, a single brick is not much of anything -- it's (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, I think the subject line sums it all up, but here goes the story, plus introduction: One year ago, if I were to buy a house in Portugal, I might ask for a loan with bonified interest (partially paid by the state), because I'm not yet 25 and (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you don't want to admit that there is anything wrong about your debating techniques, which is the real thing I'm objecting to. The subject is just the medium. This is now the third time I've pointed this out (all three contained (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant, its not my perception that you "don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook". BTW: Where did you "specifically" say you don't? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not my perception. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm more partial to Lakeesha than Shirly. (looking at ground and aimlessly kicking rocks)....ummmmm...no, I meant it in a bad way... :-O Bruce (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I am mis-reading you hear (or maybe you mis-read me.) Last time I checked, if I publicly announce I do not like my government 'leaders', I will not be publicly executed later that day. However that is standard in most Arab countries. The (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, you meant that labeling of uncle Thomas in a "good way", surely? <G,D&R> (whoops, didn't mean to call you a Surely. Or a Nancy either, for that matter) <runs farther> (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thomas Sowell appears regularly in the Orange County Register, a paper that doesn't even make a pretense at balance (like Sowell) and is wall-to-wall right wing. The only good thing about Sowell is that he enjoys labeling anyone he disagrees (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an egregiously qualified freedom at best, right? The fact that it is worse for others doesn't make your/our situation any better; it is only better by comparison. -- Hop-frog (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Did anyone hear Marketplace yesterday? There was this one segment on the protest against the IMF taking place in D.C. What caught my attention was the shift in who was to blame for economic hardship. The example or Argentina was raised. Argentina (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know that they are of less concern but rather at the oppisite end of the spectrum. I was more concerned with the discription than the conclusions the author drew. (...) guns. (...) Well I have the silly notion that the United Nations (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well in my local newspapers it is easy to find liberal propaganda, so reading aritcles full of conservative propaganda (which seems much harder to find) is good for balace. -Mike Petrucelli (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) think there are *some* of the ivory tower types that the author suggests, but they are certainly of less concern than people in the privileged Bush mold. Being privileged because of education is not that same as being privileged because of (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks Mike. Interesting article. That source has a lot of columnists (1), here's another one: (URL) a perspective on how to decide whether someone stands trial in civilian court, stands trial before a military tribunal, or just gets locked up (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well kind of anyway. I don't really agree with everything in this article but most of it seems right on to me. (URL) is an opinion peice written by Thomas Sowell. As of posting the link refers to the September 18, 2002 article. Agree or disagree it (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) The fact that someone had their fundamental rights of; freedom of speech, freedom to peacefully assemble, and freedom to peacefully protest, and there was no public outcry. There was no major news coverage. It is just disgusting. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you *would* bother to attack somebody? I wouldn't, so yes, we are in disagreement. So much for your holier than thou stance. (and by "bother" it was pretty darn clear I was refering to attacking Iraq, so let me anticipate your mindless (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I seem to have missed the explanation of what exactly angered you about the subject? I thought it was a good pointer. Chris (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) Yes it was, but I am rather tired of hearing the Democratic propaganda that Gore won the popular vote. Shouldn't we be worring about the Republican propaganda that Bush was legitimately elected? See there is a paradox if I ever saw (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What part of this is becoming a Monty Python routine didn't you understand? The automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person said isn't an argument. You offer no support for your statements, while you leave support for mine right there (I (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am. Didn't you get the memo? Dave! (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's actually my stance as well, but I didn't all my facts straight before posting, so I figured I'd simply address the logical problems of Mike's assertion. Michael Moore, who admittedly sometimes clings too dearly to erroneous information, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, so it's redundant. I just like the tongue-twister aspects, as Larry noted. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, Ill submit to judgment by my peers. Maybe we should run a "Who is the most self-righteous" poll? ;-) Bruce (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could it ever be otherwise? Who is actually righteous? =) -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, I can't say that I think it was even close. The election was stolen pure and simple. We are no longer the country we think we are, and we probably haven't been for quite some time. I know -- I keep trying to be optimistic that things (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I specifically said I don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. I'm critical of your axe-grinding, slanted presentations, and sanctimonious self-righteousness, but not always with your actual positions. Bruce (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's the snopes link: (URL) Dave! (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? I think you might mean that I am more concerned with the fate of Americans at war than others. If that's right, then I guess I do agree. Not so much on a philosophical level as on a gut reaction level. One random stranger is (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are misrepresenting me. (...) I think you are wrong to feel safer. (...) Have I ever said they should be left in place? (...) No. Did I say that? (...) I'm not avoiding anything, you are jumping to conclusions and putting words in my (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find that comment a little full of "self-righteousness". :) Scott A (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...but you (& Chris) do share Bush's unilateral outlook to some degree, that is what I don't agree with. Scott A (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're accepting Bush's victory, even though it, too, was well within the margin of error. Are you familiar with the notion of "special pleading?" (...) As "first stones" go, I find this phrase particularly offensive. For quite a while you (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) I don't see how it matters. I suspect he would have done largely the same stuff in Afghanistan, but not be threatening Iraq. But really, who can know? It doesn't need to be that Gore would be doing anything different for us to think (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh for crying out loud. The "popular majority" that Gore supposedly won by was a smaller percentage than Bush won in florida, and well within the margin of error. Seriously, does anyone think Gore would be doing much different than Bush right (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) I'll forward it off to one of my WW newsgroups! By the way, wasn't that 2 hours last night great?? Toby, Josh and Donna lost, trying to get back to DC... Whoever said that WW uses (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) There--in case we ferget in the future, we can fall back on one of these... Dave K. (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a trick of equivocation, I admit. I was making a joke at the expense of "our" "duly" "elected" "President!" (...) A big one, IMO! I'd love to see someone try to exploit it, but that would be as good as forfeiting the race, since it would (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. Chris (did I forget the smiley?) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) All of them. War is hell. Chris (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more that two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more that once." (...) I guess that's (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> I really don't know if I should post this link, first of all 'cause of the bad language factor, and it has to do with a little video game I play (yeah, my other hobby that takes (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, stand in front of a mirror and say "Scott's santimonious self-righteousness" three times fast. (...) "n", "m"... Sound about the same and not a lot of difference pictorially(1). Just one hump. And whats just one hump between friends, I ask (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't read all the way through. Does it say how it's going to handle off shore SPAM? Most of the SPAM I receive fits into one of three categories: - e-mail from services I've signed up for (i.e. not really SPAM) - off shore - notifications (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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