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Re: Idealism vs Realism?
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Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:06:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=2&ColumnsName=tso
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> Hmmm, I mostly disagreed -- that just seemed very pointlessly judgmental. I
> think there are *some* of the ivory tower types that the author suggests,
> but they are certainly of less concern than people in the privileged Bush
> mold.
I don't know that they are of less concern but rather at the oppisite end of
the spectrum. I was more concerned with the discription than the conclusions
the author drew.
> Being privileged because of education is not that same as being
> privileged because of actual economic/political power -- thanks, dad!
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> One of the author's underlying assumptions is that we are going after the
> correct targets for the 911 attack on the U.S. -- which I think is false. I
> am not big on fighting in foreign lands, but if we were to go after the
> people responsible shouldn't we be following the money trail back to Saudi
> Arabia?
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> Plus, I can hardly look at U.S. foreign policy with much of anything but
> disgust.
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> Here, look at this:
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> 1. Country A has guns, Country B has guns, Country C has none.
> 2. Country A has the bomb, Country B has the bomb, Country C has guns.
> 3. Country A has weapons of mass destruction (hell, they practically
> invented them!), Country B has weapons of mass destruction, Country C has • guns.
> 4. Country C tries to become a "player." Countries A and B form a union of
> countries calling for the economic sequestration of Country C. If Country C
> does not stop trying to become a "player" it may mean war.
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> Fair or unfair?
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> And I didn't even mention oil or how I think Iraq has done nothing as
> compared to the kind of stuff we are likely to see from China soon enough.
> Well, unless we allow them to become a "player" and/or our economic
> equal/superior. Hey, there's a 1/4 of the world's population over there
> needing our goods and services and they aren't even that choosy -- they'll
> eat rat at KFC!
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> Cha-ching!
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> Do you think an IMF puppet will look good propped up as *president* in the
> forbidden city?
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> It's not about countries or political ideology -- that's just PR for the
> peons to wring their hands over.
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> It's about money/real estate/oil/gold/diamonds/database entries and power.
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> -- Hop-Frog
Well I have the silly notion that the United Nations should eliminate all
dictorships by any means neccessary[1] for the long term good of the world.
[1] I have an extreme preference to liberation and educating (without
brainwashing) the people currently living under dictatorships. Although I know
I personally would rather be dead than live under the slavery of a totalitarian
government. Then again I also actually know what freedom is (as opposed to
most of the people living in any Arab country.)
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) That's an egregiously qualified freedom at best, right? The fact that it is worse for others doesn't make your/our situation any better; it is only better by comparison. -- Hop-frog (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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