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(...) I'm curious if anyone knows of any real analysis of the price of toys. My gut feel is that the quality toys have possibly actually fallen in real cost (LEGO certainly appears to have done so, looking at the Lugnet Set Guide, the 10 cents a (...) (24 years ago, 9-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I dunno, I guess I was getting too much into the spirit of "inciting to riot" since the post was here in .off-topic.debate. You know, can't be here unless you take up an intellectual position stating a contray point. "No, no you came (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<Sneep> (...) Dare yo question my carfelnees?!? I ar the mest crewful person I new!! Oops, I bimped my heed agast thee waal agen?!?! Ooch! Aaron West, Captain LSF Ertbergle (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's true. The Barbie I played with as a child had clothes with real buttons and zippers rather than cheap strips of Velcro. My Creepy Crawler maker had molds made of real metal. My Schwinn bicycle with the balloon tires later became trendy as (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think that the lower quality of later Transformers causes the earlier ones to suck. I'll agree that the stuff released toward the end of the 1st Generation sucked, however. ~1st Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not when you look at them from a play value/cost standpoint. You could get an Autobot car for about $8.00 back in the day. conversely, Jetfire (VF-1 fighter) cost about $40. The Alpha I had was around $25-30 and the SDF-1 was a similar price. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. I dunno about that, but I'm glad you like the links. :^) ~1st Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that Super Fire Convoy sure looks a lot more complex and poseable than my Optimus Prime ever was. Why do you say that they suck? ~1st Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand the NBA, as noted before here, and the guy retaliating always getting called for the foul. :-) I take it you didn't make it to the end of message, where I said the following: (...) Happy? Bruce (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Bruce, watch yer attributions - You're actually replying to your own post ((URL) I really think such long & scathin) replies belong in e-mail, rather than a public post. I'd say the same to Robert / Matthew / Mad / ??? but I feel it would (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still waiting on your cleverness... (...) Not for lack of trying. (...) Hey, I'm just having some fun! I think you need to develop a thicker skin. Note above how *you* are the one claiming *we* (that includes you, junior) are flaming each (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Original Voltron (Lions was cool, till they computer animated it), but the vehicle one was odd. I had the Lion toy (another import) and my friend had the vehicle one and it was hard for us to play with as it had three modes: 1) all fifteen (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You not watch cartoon, that why you not understand... 1) Spike was human, average size. Bumblebee, the robot, was average human size. When he transforms, suddenly he's bigger than a human. Whatever happened to physics?! Conservation of (...) (24 years ago, 8-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's an interesting quote from Albert Einstein regarding his thoughts on God, life and death: "I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I, nor would I (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I should modify my statement to reflect the all the sub-religions, philosophies or branches under the umbrella of a given main religion. In some religions, such as Hinduism, there can be significant differences from one village to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Immense powers of destruction! I sleep better at night knowing that. (...) And you're actively defending us from external onslaught! I sleep better at night knowing that too. (...) OK, clue us in. (...) When we said *who* was the Mad Hatter? I (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I guess it sorta depends on what you're copying, I find when I make something that's modeled after something else it's easier because I don't really have to get creative, just work out angles, sizing, etc, as you mentioned. When I make stuff (...) (24 years ago, 7-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People always copy real prototypes with their Lego, being a copy of a real thing doesn't affect how good it is. If it's a copy of a prototype you rate it on how good is it as a model and then how accurately the model portrays the prototype. (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wouldn't either, but it is kind of a nice view of the future, I think maybe that's why some people are really into it. All in all though if you monitor the space building group you won't find anything even remotely as accurate and well built (...) (24 years ago, 7-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I wouldn't look for anything Star Trek on the net, I watch the program but apart from that I have nothing to do with Star Trek. I wouldn't want to be ever thought of as a sad trekkie. (...) I didn't menetion the Vortex because I hadn't (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I suppose if I was doing some social engineering I could stop...but since I'm not that might be a problem. If I was social engineering anyone I would not be so straight forward and blunt in my posts. Robert (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Transformers the cartoon was pretty cool, considering it actually had a plot, which most cartoons in this day and age seem to lack (except for like Batman and Gargoyles). All in all though when it comes to mechs nothing beats Voltron! : ) (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know what you're smokin....but I want some! : ) Robert (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tell ya, seems you guys have absolutely no sense of humor, at all. (...) There be no holly on my intellect! What do I look like, a jolly fat elf with a sack full of presents? Robert (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Judging by all the people who were begging me for the incomplete instructions to the Black Hawk about 4 months ago, I'd say pretty good. (...) Well of course you would, and that's fine. Still, I'd like to see you find a Star Trek type shuttle (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh you are so right, what can I say, I guess ya beat me, huh Bruce? (...) Well I'm not actually. I only flame when I get upset or when I'm hired and certainly haven't been hired for anything here, and I'm not upset...it seems you are though. I (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, yeah the concept of time I guess kinda throws things off. I mean maybe our entire "existence" really only lasted a brief milisecond for God himself, while for us we experience the time at a snails pace. That might also explain the whole (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because he turned into a VW Beetle that's how Duhh! (...) Dunno. (...) I assume he left it behind like the toy does. I never actually got to see the cartoon. Steve (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bobby, just answer just *one* question, ok? Just *one*. Here goes...what is your point? *shake* *shake* *shake* ...OUTLOOK NOT SO GOOD... *shake* *shake* *shake* ...REPLY HAZY, TRY AGAIN... *shake* *shake* *shake* ...VERY DOUBTFUL... *shake* (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That explains a lot! I'm now quite glad we don't share an interest in Transformers. Steve (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Transformations *are* cool, big freakin' robots *are* cool, but Hasbro's Transformers *do* suck. So did the cartoon. Anybody know how Spike could sit inside Bumblebee? Or how Soundwave could shoot with Megatron? And just where did Optimus (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If we had Oscars for best posting and best links in a posting I think Mark Sandlin would clean up. I'm a huge Macross fan and by amazing coincidence I started to build a Valkyrie just today. I had to stop as I've run out of bricks due to having to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't believe you said that! My jaw has just dropped onto the floor! Are you MAD! Their robots that turn into things! What aspect of Tranformers isn't totally brilliant? Steve (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And now for something completely different: "Gentlemen, you have no chance. Make your time." www.planetstarsiege....video.html Captain West, LSF Ertbergle (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <SNIP> Transformers still suck. Captain West, LSF Ertbergle (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would disagree with this. There are basically a handfull of major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam - and some of these are sometimes considered more philosophies than religions). (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, cool, thanks Brother Lar. Keep the flattery up, you might make a Larritarian out of me yet! ;-) I'm noticing (and I'm sure it's been observed before) that these kind of noisemakers come in cycles, but only last a short time. Burn brightly (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) So why you just don't cut your holly book into two slices, and put your intellect between them and shove it all together to your holly hole, instead just losing your holly time here? If you want to debate, than debate till the end, if you (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even awake for that matter, I suspect, as comprehending gibberish that has no underlying meaning is a bit beyond Sproat's prowess. I've got one of those gibberish generators too, though, so producing text that is incomprehensible isn't much of (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh..heh..heheheh.he...e...heheh. Selçuk (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I feel your pain. I was lamenting much the same thing when I was at TRU last week. However.... (...) Look here: (URL) plans to release these transformers in the USA this fall, accompanied by a cartoon. Here's a news link: (URL) is also a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hahaha. You got ever worse - where's this cleverness you keep gloating about? A Mystic 8-Ball has better comebacks. Concentrate and ask again. (...) I think I missed that same meeting - why are you flaming *everyone*? I'm for one sick of it. (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Robert Bevens writes: I guess basically it'd be like as soon as (...) I think if you we're a god you'd only do everything in an infinite number of combinations ONCE! I doubt even a god could do everthing in every (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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With Robert Bevens making such an impact on this newsgroup I came to wonder whether he's actually any good with Lego. A few minutes detective work tells me he rarely posts anyware but off-topic. He only seems to have appeared a month ago (and is (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I feel sorry for todays kids, not only have lego sets become less interesting and more childish, toys in general arn't as good. Where are the classics available during my childhood. Decent transformers that turn into cars, not the stupid bugs that (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You keep talking like that and Zeus is gonna come down here and make us all sorry! (...) And pizza helps relieve the HUNGER in our existence. (...) Here's an interesting thought, if God were really a God, as in if he had total and absolute (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings! I've been following the debate regarding science and the Bible and it seems the debate has digressed so I thought I'd start a thread about the things I think we should agree on. Feel free to join in but please keep an open mind and use (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well your lame was pretty pathetic. You shouldn't expect any more than you're willing to give out yourself. (...) I think maybe I missed a meeting, I didn't know we were flaming against one another. If that was the case I probably would have (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not even BEGUN to inflate my ego! I can produce devastating walls of text in my sleep the likes of your puny brain has yet to comprehend! `, Þ Robert (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again simply accusing me of being equivocal, but this time doing it in a rather prolix over exasperated way, as if that somehow makes it any less transparent and laughable. In case you hadn't noticed I'm still "holding" the position I started (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a pretty pathetic comeback. I thought you said you are clever - I'd figure you'd use something good for a stock phrase. I'm not impressed. (...) Oh, I'm sorry - you keep telling me how clever you are. I thought you could figure it out. (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, we can't... but we CAN spotlight stuff we agree with. You got my vote on this one, Brother Sproat. ++Lar (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Trying to find equivocation in your arguments is like trying to find grass in a meadow. I don't have all that much experience on Usenet, as you so proudly proclaim yourself to have, but your style of argument (about which, see below) was old (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed it has. You might want to parcel it out a bit cautiously, as it would be a shame to run out of it too soon. ++Lar (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's times like this when I wish we could score articles as "Troll" and "Obvious ego autoflagellation" like on Slashdot... :-P Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's keep you thinking that way, shall we? (...) I like how you say I failed in my stated purpose, but then fail to explain why. Not that it's any real surprise. (...) If you say so. (...) No, not at all. When I take a side I try to argue and (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oops, in case anyone caught it I sorta used the f word in my last post, I didn't mean to do that, I have since applied a filter in my Lugnet spell checker which will alert me to it if it happens again. Again I apologize to anyone who has been (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More sophistries. And yes, I can say it (there it is above). Not only that, I'm right. (...) You failed in your stated purpose. It seems you aren't as clever as you like to think you are. (...) Sometimes known as jerking people around. What's (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all. An entire text that I have written may represent the truth of what I believe, however when things are taken out of context, they do not represent the truth of what I believe. Therefore as a whole it is true, but not when broken (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh really, how so? (...) Oh, and whose logistic standards would those be? I'm partial to Copi and Cohen's work myself. You do realize that logic isn't exactly something written in stone, right son? (...) Ahh but that's putting it into your (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No I'm really not son, I broke it down to pure logic. I can even break it down further into truth tables, but I doubt you even know what those are so I won't bother. (...) Actually that isn't what he asked me. Don't you know what a premise is? (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, but that's only your interpretation of it, remember, I'm an experienced social engineer. Given that you really can't say what I really mean or think. That's not to say I'm trying to manipulate anybody, it just means I'm trying to control (...) (24 years ago, 7-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt that the Sumerians felt the water rising, although such an event would have disrupted trade balances and relationships. There also would have been a dramatic exodus of refugees, many of them "spilling" into Sumeria. Since a fertile (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! Even as I posted my earlier message I was thinking about this. There are, of course, numerous submerged archaeological sites in the shallows and not-so-shallows of the Mediterranean. I'll still stand by my assertion that the flooding of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's also evidence that the filling of the Mediterranean was witnessed as well. An event that large most likely was felt in Sumer, probably by the entire Fertile Crescent. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've seen bits about that on Good Morning America and now and then on CNN, but I'm not up on the latest info. What I recall is that the water flow into the Black Sea exceeded the rate over Niagara falls for a period (if I remember correctly) (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dang, I answered this one in your email. Everyone will have to be mystified as to my response. :-( Oh, I'll cover the very last point again because it's quick: the Sumerians, Egyptian, and Indians all developed their cultures along a major (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Both Nova and National Geographic have recently done pieces on new findings that suggest a catastrophic flood of the Black Sea did indeed occur x thousands of years ago. I can't really remember the details, but I believe that the event is (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point is that you attempt to invalidate science on one hand, but it's suddenly valid when it serves your purpose. You do this very thing below. (...) The last willfully misconstrue evidence, take it out of context, ignore what is (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Struggle and death has indeed always been present. Let's for a moment assume that the literal interpretation is true. God created man on the 6th day. He created all of the other animals prior to that. I don't know if you're going to deny the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) BZZT, wrong. Thanks for playing, though. If you want to use logic terminology to restate my challange, please do it correctly. Statement: A is true if and only if all occurances of B are true. Statement: B is false. Reconcile away. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Simpson: (...) James, If God used evolution to create (and an integral part of evolution is struggle and death) then God created by using death. In Romans 5:12, God said that death entered the world as a result of sin. Did God create sin so (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an example of what I mentioned earlier about Creationists altering fact to fit their belief system (which should not be dignified with the term theory or hypothesis). (...) If by "Indians" you're referring to Native Americans, then (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce Schlickbernd: (...) But that can be reconciled with 6,000 years. When one examines the early Chinese dynasties, one can find that precisely documented dynasties only go back as far as about 2000 B.C. The first true Chinese dynasty was started (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There no reason to say this except to let him know that you don't really believe he's right and your wrong, i.e. you *do* have a problem letting him believe you're wrong and he's right. Bruce (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would modify this as follows: Facts Exist Man form hypotheses and theories which he tests via the scientific method Evolutionists find that their hypotheses do not always fit the facts, so they re-evaluate and re-formulate those hypotheses (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That would be a long list. Just for starters: King James Version New King James Version Aramaic Bible Revised Standard Version The Book of the Law of the Lord, 1856 Edition The Douay-Rheims Bible New International Version New American Standard (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Science can't prove whether it is a "young earth" or an "old earth," so everyone has to *believe* that one of them is true. So it is a "belief" thing for everyone. (...) I understand where you're coming from and what this means, so I take no (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce Schlickbernd: (...) hand, (...) to (...) Evidence I gave did not *prove* creation, nor did I say that it did. But the evidence can *support* creationism. Here's a few premises: Facts exist Man discovers facts using the scientific method (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In terms of reliability, I believe that the basic kerygma (the proclamation of religious truth, if you will) of the Judeo-Christian faith has been passed down through the centuries "in a reliable manner" such that we may have reasonable trust (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No fair claiming "non-native speaker" status--your English is better than some of my coworkers, and at least as good as most of us here. I'm always taken aback when someone from outside the US reveals that he or she isn't a native speaker, (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're equivocating. James has done a good job of fielding your foul balls while I've been away, but I'd like to point out a few additional flaws in your logic. (...) In fact, it is nothing at all like that. It is like this: "If all of The (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are hedging the issue. He asked you a simple question, "Which is correct?" (I would add an "and why" to it, though) and you avoid it by saying "One of them." This is not answering his question. As well answer the math teacher's question of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think my phrase was quite open, although I'm not a native english speaker and screw up saying the exact words quite frequently. Actually, you seem to be understand since you already answered the question...:-) What I want to learn is, this (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Disregard my last post, I mistyped a few of my sentences (got all my true and false mixed up), I also bothered to run spellcheck this time. (...) Okay let's really break this down first. You have two things, A and B. A is true, but only when B is (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay let's really break this down first. You have two things, A and B. A is true, but only when B is false B is true, but only when A is false A is true, and so is B, therefore the premises are false. Okay, that's some standard logic right (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this the black armband view of history or what! I think it's telling that the present govenrment refuses to apologise for a policy that was so explicitly racist. Apparently Aboriginal settlements were the inspiration for South African (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Most believers of other faiths have a holy language in which the sacred text is written: Hebrew for Jews, Arabic for Muslims, Sanskrit for Hindus. Here I'm particularly interested in how translation affects this communication between the text (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes: <much snippage> (...) I'm not going to take on the geological arguments, but I'll have a go at the biology if you like. I'm delighted to see references to scientific journals, which is as far as I (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is my final post regarding Carl Sagan and the "billions and billions" stuff. By the way, in "Cosmos" Sagan does say "billions upon billions." Anyway, this quote comes from Chapter 1 of Sagan's book "Billions and Billions": I never said it. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, my dear friend, all I can say is watch and enjoy the "Cosmos" series and tell me if he said "billions and billions." I can only repeat that Sagan said he was misquoted for using that phrase in the "Cosmos" series, that he wouldn't use such a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <many other people wrote, but the attributions have been snipped> (...) Oops, silly me. c/question/argument (...) Go ahead, amaze me. Statement: the Bible is all literal truth. Statement: part of the bible is not literal truth. I'm fascinated (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Plymouth MA, which is the church congregation directly descending from the Pilgrim's settlement, is now a Unitarian Universalist congregation. This also reminds me of an interesting story I read in the Travel section of the Raleigh (NC) News (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh...what question? Are you getting something I'm not or did I miss another meeting? (...) A yup. (...) Not entirely true, it could all be literally true whilst parts could still be incorrect. You might ask why, but then I'd have to start (...) (24 years ago, 6-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How is that relevant to Dave's question? Ryan stated his belief that the bible (not portions, or "except the bits to test our faith") is literal truth. If one holds the entirety as literal truth, then any example of non-literal truth (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if God isn't perfect? What if he purposefully put in mistakes as a sort of "test of faith"? (...) We could be, where is your undeniable proof that we aren't? For all you know your entire reality is just some form of illusion. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the Biography special they did on him they had a clip where he said "billions and billions", but I don't recall if it was an excert from the Cosmos series or just something he did later on as a gag. Regardless of whether he said it on the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, you are taking this way too personally. If you want to answer my email personally and discuss it, fine. Bruce (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did. That's a short time, astromically speaking. (...) And......? It's still basic bad science to draw the conclusions you are inmplying. (...) As I mentioned before, recorded Chinese geneaologies go back further than 6,000 years. That's why (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is the same old Creationist dodge: (X) scientific theory isn't PROVEN (nothing is in science - it simply shows you don't understand science when you say such things) so it's just as much an article of faith as religion. Except one is based on (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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