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Re: Essential nature of mankind
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Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:51:09 GMT
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Ryan Farrington wrote:
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> Regarding this subject of cruelty of so-called Christians to the indians,
> here's an interesting article about the Pilgrims in America.
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> http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/controversies/indians/
Interesting in a way that you bring that up... Why? Well, First Parish
Plymouth MA, which is the church congregation directly descending from
the Pilgrim's settlement, is now a Unitarian Universalist congregation.
This also reminds me of an interesting story I read in the Travel
section of the Raleigh (NC) News and Observer. They had an article on
New England and had visited a variety of places. While they were
visiting the First Parish of Concord MA, they were talking to the
minister who told them that they had recently applied for a corporate
credit card, and on being asked how long they had been in business,
answered 350 years. The credit card person then said, hold on, I need to
talk to my supervisor (now why they should be surprised that there might
be businesses [and churches] in Massachusetts more than 200 and some odd
years old, I don't know, I wonder what they would have said to First
Parish Plymouth's 381 years, or Harvard's 365 years).
Hmm, just browsing through Harvard's history... The University of North
Carolina - Chapel Hill, claims to be the first state university,
however, in it's early years, Harvard was a "state" college, here is a
quote from a history book:
"Governor Winthrop -- who, as Governor of Massachusetts, was the real
head of the College..."
Harvard however seems to be a private corporation (too lazy to dig all
the way into this), and of course UNC may be the first university
chartered by a US State. Of course the constitution of Massachusetts
(which is the oldest consitution still active in the US [actually, the
world] - it was ratified before the US Constitution) has a whole chapter
on Harvard, and clearly documents the role of the Governor of
Massachusetts in the governance of Harvard:
Article III. [And whereas, by an act of the general court of the colony
of Massachusetts Bay passed in the year one thousand six hundred
and forty-two, the governor and deputy-governor, for the time being, and
all the magistrates of that jurisdiction, were, with the
president, and a number of the clergy in the said act described,
constituted the overseers of Harvard College: and it being necessary, in
this new constitution of government to ascertain who shall be deemed
successors to the said governor, deputy-governor and magistrates;
it is declared, that the governor, lieutenant governor, council and
senate of this commonwealth, are and shall be deemed, their successors,
who with the president of Harvard College, for the time being, together
with the ministers of the congregational churches in the towns of
Cambridge, Watertown, Charlestown, Boston, Roxbury, and Dorchester,
mentioned in the said act, shall be, and hereby are, vested with all
the powers and authority belonging, or in any way appertaining to the
overseers of Harvard College; provided, that] nothing herein shall
be construed to prevent the legislature of this commonwealth from making
such alterations in the government of the said university, as
shall be conducive to its advantage and the interest of the republic of
letters, in as full a manner as might have been done by the
legislature of the late Province of the Massachusetts Bay.
[clipped from: http://www.state.ma.us/legis/const.htm ]
Of course it also has the blessing of God...
Hmm, here's an interesting one on Indians...
http://hbook.harvard.edu/bin/pagemap.cgi?code=v1-032&toc_code=v1toc2.html
It talks about the formation of an Indian College at Harvard, in about
1660 or so ("About midway in this first half-century [of Harvard,
1636-1686] stands the foundation of the Indian College...")..
Oh well, enough diversion...
--
Frank Filz
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