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Re: Science and beliefs (was Re: Alien races)
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Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:35:10 GMT
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This is the same old Creationist dodge: (X) scientific theory isn't PROVEN
(nothing is in science - it simply shows you don't understand science when
you say such things) so it's just as much an article of faith as religion.
Except one is based on observation and application of the evidence at hand,
and the other doesn't depend on it at all. It DOES mean that you hold the
mutually exclusive position that science can't prove anything while
simultaneously attempting to use science to prove your point when it suits
you. If science can't prove anything, that it is just a matter of faith,
then why ever bring up scientific "proofs" of Creationism? You have to
accept that one of your arguments is specious by definition.
Bruce
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes:
> Dave Low also wrote:
> > Most scientists think about the world in terms of falsifiable theories,
> > rather than beliefs as such.
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> Here's something my brother Ken wrote that pertains to the subject... Food
> for
> thought.
> --Ryan
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> "Many have made reference to facts of science, etc, or understanding of the
> universe, as if they speak a definite, proven message. But, indeed, they
> don't, for all the observed facts of science don't say anything definite
> other than about the immediate items they address. It is interpretation of
> facts to put many of them together and say they support this or that view,
> or to even say one proven fact proves a slightly more removed idea.
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> "As any person thinks about the world, whether scientist or otherwise, there
> is always an element of personal beliefs that enters the picture. I do not
> mean religious beliefs, merely, I refer to taking observable facts, put with
> unobservable extrapolations, and combined with guesses and other conjectures
> influenced by the way the person wants to think. When talking about
> origins, nothing can be proven, in the sense of being able to directly
> observe, or repeat the processes. When there is no final proof, any
> conclusions that seem final have been developed out of what a person
> believes, in order to come to a conclusion that is not actually proven. To
> say that the life on earth has evolved, for example, can be accepted as true
> only by belief, since science has not repeated it, or observed it directly.
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> "Evidence that supports a conclusion never proves it. It is only a direct
> observation or repetition (and hence observation) of a process or event that
> proves the event can happen. So there is always a measure of doubt as to
> the truth of the conclusion from only supporting evidence, and it takes a
> certain kind of 'faith' to believe sincerely that the conclusion is true.
> In the courtroom, when there is a criminal trial, for example, no one there
> can go back and observe what actually happened. All the jury has to base
> their decision on is supporting evidence presented. In a similar way to
> science, they have to come to a conclusion which is ultimately taken in
> 'faith,' even though based on the evidence they have seen."
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| Bruce Schlickbernd: (...) hand, (...) to (...) Evidence I gave did not *prove* creation, nor did I say that it did. But the evidence can *support* creationism. Here's a few premises: Facts exist Man discovers facts using the scientific method (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Science and beliefs (was Re: Alien races)
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| (...) Here's something my brother Ken wrote that pertains to the subject... Food for thought. --Ryan "Many have made reference to facts of science, etc, or understanding of the universe, as if they speak a definite, proven message. But, indeed, they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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