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(...) Oh, come now! I think everyone knows I was being facetious. If anyone feels disenfranchised by my jest, please let me know, and I'll make amends. Dave! (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now that's a bit uncalled for. If someone is an *actual* conservative, and I do know quite a few of them--intelligent ones, too--they're just as outraged over the bloat and entanglement of our present government. This is why I raise the cry (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hitler aside, in 1939 Germany had the most impressive military machine the world had ever seen. However, I don't believe the GB cowered; if anything we took the fight to Germany. We (with the help of our allies) moved on from Dunkirk in (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree 100%. I very much doubt an attack will occur on US soil on the scale of 911 before the election. I know I'm a cynic, but I read some of Bush's 'warnings' as partly fear-mongering & partly electioneering. I feel there is an attempt to (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is rather offensive. I won't even bother to ask you to justify your statement. (...) That argument has some merit; I just can't remember you ever using it until today(?). Is any living man responsible for the murder of more civilians than (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it's fair to say that Europe ignored our advice at the end of WWI, so I'm not sure where the U.S. should accumulate any blame: "We told ya so!" :-) (...) The campaign in Italy wasn't working - the man who came up with the WWI Gallipoli (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I keep looking for something like marshal/marshall/martial....oh wait, there should be a comma after "valid". You sneaky devil - I almost missed it! Do I win a cookie? (Flakey Flix, fudge, no substituting Jack Stone macrofigs) Oooo...ooops, (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah. I cried too. I suddendly realized I was the same species as those butchers who sent men get butchered there that day. Both sides. If Europe and N. America had solved the problem with diplomacy BEFORE it got out of hand, none of this (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well if you want my opinion, then give it to me already! (...) I wasn't spinning; I was just predicting how conservatives would spin it. (...) Yup. Hard to predict what such an event would precipitate. (...) Again, I would be against a delay (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL Many don't appreciate the (URL) electronic variety> either! JOHN (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm sorry. I was referring to "Marshall Crenshaw" (or was that cole slaw.... perhaps I meant Cole Porter, or maybe even (URL) Coalporter>) Yeah, that's the ticket! (What's that you say, Scott? More plagarism???) (...) Come on, the question was (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You may indeed be correct; I can tell you that if we did get attacked, you can bet that conservatives would fear a "Spanish response", and would spin the attack as an attempt by al-Qaeda to influence the outcome in order to elect Kerry (who, (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I understood you better than you did, I think. :-) (...) But you wanted to plant the notion that such an attack would be to aid Kerry, regardless of what Kerry would want. It was just the spin you had to put on it when it really (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's clear? Did he mean Marshal Law the comic? Martial law? I'm so confused... ;-) (...) I think Dave!'s scenario implies a longer term than "a few days", otherwise there isn't a lot of point to the question. Basically John is restating the (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Only because someone decided paper ballots aren't good enough any more. ROSCO (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a point worth unpacking. Although the election in Spain was influenced by the train bombing, the fact that most of the Spanish electorate opposed the Iraq war was as least as important. In the US, the drumbeat for war was communicated (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't expect a green-eyed inquistition...:-) (...) I think you misunderstood my post, -->Bruce<--, if not completely. 1. Assuming an attack came on, oh, for old time's sake, 9-11 (al-Qaeda seems to enjoy this kind of Islamic brand of (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because I already know the answer that *sane* people would give. 8^) (...) I accept this in principle, but my question is more along the lines of Would Dubya Try It? And if so, what then? (...) Sure, if we were looking at Kerry's bid for (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Why is this a question for the conservatives? (...) That's not what the constitution provides for. An event on the order of 9/11 (without minimising how horrific it was) is enough to justify closing stock markets, perhaps, but not enough to justify (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm confused. It seems that John's answer was very clear from the snipped quotes above. 1. "A delay for logistical reasons would be valid." Expanding on John's point, I would suggest that something such as Dave's hypothetical about a power (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ummm, I take it that you aren't going to answer the question... Let's see: you basically blamed Kerry for any attack (and ignored that Americans traditionally rally around the incumbent if attacked, which means any attack is actually an aid to (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) problem (...) would (...) hacks (...) A slightly on-topic response... If a nuke detonated in DC, there would probably be no BF!!! And that means no Christina either if the blast was large enough or the fallout engulfed Arlington... ;( (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Certainly not! I didn't mean to imply that, and I apologize. (...) Bush is in both a tough and a clever spot, in a way. To date, he's been running as The Man Who Can Keep Us Safe. But if a terrorist attack occurs on US soil, he'll instantly (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) While I'm not a Conservative, I would like to say that this has been in the back, middle and -more lately- forefront of my mind since the lead up to Iraq. It doesn't even have to happen here in the states. There's no real reason a even a (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (puts conservative hat on;-) Well, first, I wouldn't ever be happy that an attack on the order of 9-11 would occur. Frankly, I share your suspicion (if that is indeed where you are going) that an attack will occur on our soil to influence our (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm getting more pessimistic as life goes on--I'd be surprised if something *doesn't* happen that'll help Dubya in the months leading up to the election--something like "Oh look! WoMD found in the deserts of Iraq!" or "Tankers of natural gas (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hoping to learn what people in this forum think, rather than what the distilled wisdom of the Internet has to offer. (...) Are you talking about (URL) The Day After Tomorrow,> universally deplored by everyone with an iota of scientific (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why bother asking silly hypothetical questions? All the answers are already available on video. (URL) you know kids are to watching the the latest Hollywood has to offer for science class? What do you think of that? Don (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's a hypothetical: Let's suppose a major event occurs between now and November 2, something on the order of 9/11. Now let's suppose that Dubya's administration either postpones or cancels the Presidential election in the wake of the disaster, (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and I thought the (URL) monkey theory> had been proven wrong! ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm...mmm, well......... I lied. :-) And I didn't say Irish-American. Nyahh. Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh! -->Bruce<-- 1/2 German, 1/4 Irish, 1/8 Norwegian, 1/8 Dutch, 100% 'Merican Mongrel. (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Actually, Scott's got you, Bruce: (URL) (This mindset was > originally more than just language--the Commonwealth as > it exists today was in fact less ambitious than the original > schemes for Imperial Federation, which could not guarantee > that (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh, I remember those marvelous Ditko Spider-Man comics of my youth! No one drew like him. Oops, sorry, digressing on a digression... -->Does Whatver a Spider Can<-- (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not another word safari! If you have an exact cut and paste quote, I can figure it out. I'm 1/4 Irish. The most I can figure is that I was sloppy and said something about the Irish "half" of the family because I only deal with the German and (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No need to be a pottymouth about this. (...) I just didn't want you to be accused of plagiarism. 8^) (...) Hmm. And here I thought that was (URL) Pete Seeger>. 8^) Dave! (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Flibbity Floo! I thought I came up with that! (URL) is nothing new under the sun> JOHN (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, don't drag (URL) Spider-Man> into this. Dave! (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, and am I to suppose that your blind support for terrorism is sophisticated? Please. (...) And I pointed out that, even if you want to label Sharon in such a way, he is an elected official who will soon be gone; the true criminal and (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Search for "(URL) bruce half irish>". It is not the phrase i place in quotes, but you do say you are half Irish! (...) I see your point: I've been sloppy with my "quotes" when I should have used use 'these' to parenthesise terminology I wished (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Searching under the phrase you place in quotes yields no messages that I can find where I said such. Wouldn't be accurate anyway since I am not half-Irish. The problem lies in that you keep ascribing phrases to me that I didn't use to back up (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you have identified yourself "Half-Irish". Why is it a problem for me to remind you of that? Scott A (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought the pasta-loving Vin was only shot once? (...) Talking of snipers, I love the scenes in SPR where our heroes tramp across open fields and cross the crests of hills as they are too brave to use cover! Scott A (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I think in FMJ, 8-Ball is shot in the leg. (...) John, your blind support for Israel, despite the "facts on the ground", is rather unsophisticated. In this group I have already shown you how Israel is a belligerent power which is currently led by an (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Cool story Dave! But unless the photo has been reversed on that page, the contributor Rob Kirkwood doesn't know port from starboard ;) ROSCO (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It was meant to hide his real identity, and thus disguise the fate of Captain Miller. Not all flashbacks are necessarily that of the character in question, though it may be regarded as a sneaky bit of story-telling subtrafuge and implied (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If the character was "passing for Italian (descent)" the film probably would have made a point of it. I just think you are making a mistake in presuming that since Vin Diesal is black/part-black, that he is only going to play a character that (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Moving, but also problematic. The camera zooms in on the Elder Ryan's tear-filled eyes as he meditates over the graves of his comrades. The film then immediately jumps, flashback-style, to Miller in the landing craft and proceeds from there. (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That depends on what relevance one attaches to the character’s name alone. (...) I'm happy to admit to not having watched the film enough to know the character's name. I'm happy to admit to not knowing what typical African-American surnames (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tell that to the dead women and children on both sides. (...) "Civilized nations" do not continue (or start) a war when there is a non-violent alternative. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I'd cite WWI as a great example of what Ross was getting at: Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding. The key word you are missing is "kept". If there ever was a lack of understanding destined not to (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First, Israel's restraint has perpetuated the conflict with the Palestinians. The conflict could have easily been ended as far back as in 1967 after the victory in the 6 Day War. WWI is a classic example illustrating my point. There was no (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not sure if this is fitting in .debate, but I have a cool story on this subject: I worked in a hobby store for a few years in the late 90's, and we sold a fair range of plastic military models and detailing handbooks. There were a few (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But an utterly non-relevant one! :-) (...) Don't wanna admit that you identified the character as black incorrectly, eh? :-) (...) Right there earlier in the sequence quoted above! (...) But never by the phrase "Irish-American". And I believe (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How would 40's America have viewed him. (A genuine question). (...) You mean like your name implies your Irishness? ;) (...) Did I? I'll take your word for it... you certainly have noted your Irishness a few times. (...) I'm not about to watch (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) This> amused me: Letter C: Chalabi. The leader of the Iraq National Congress, who is a member of the Iraq Governing Council, is now accused of having duped the Bush administration, as well as the media, into believing that Saddam Hussein (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure--just like Blue Velvet. Dave! (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you need to make up your mind whether he is black or a "USP", which would imply you should have known to check the character's name. :-O And clearly you haven't seen his movies (which may be a blessing) in regards to the accusations (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Man, this is just embarrassing. I did *not* note the mill sign. Maybe if they'd referred to basis points, it would have gotten through my skull. But probably not. I'm reminded of (URL) an admission I made long ago> in one of our many (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bush: "America is safer, two terror regimes are gone forever and more than 50 million souls now live in freedom." Dr Mahmoud Othman (IGC Member): "It's like being in a dictatorship again" Amnesty International: "Sacrificing human rights in the name (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unique Selling Point. I understand he ticks all the correct ethnic minority boxes in one swoop. This means there is no need for other minorities to have a token presence in a movie, thus allowing more room for white guys! (...) I knew fine (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now I know why 10 gallon hats are so small. ;) Scott A (Who thought {everything} was bigger in the USA) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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n_okla@hotmail.com (Neb Okla) wrote in <HyFsM8.vAx@lugnet.com>: (...) Actually, both are correct. 1 US gallon is 3.785 litres, 1 UK gallon is 4.545 litres. One more reason to go metric. (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Flung about willy-nilly? Snafu was the order of the day, and it was up the skill, intelligence, and daring of those involved to make order out of chaos. (...) I can't say that I recall one way or the other, but I presume that they would be (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hope everyone is enjoying World No Tobacco Day. Here are a couple links for those interested: World No Tobacco Day (URL) the fight for smokefree air (URL) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, the peace that came from force in the Soviet union for approximately 40ish years. That worked real well. Dave K (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think "randomly dropped” would be a better descriptor. ;) (...) The landing craft's pilot would probably have been a Brit. (...) I see your point, perhaps I was just been overly cautious of the movie industry re-writing history. As an aside, (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You mean like in Israel/Palestine? Or do you mean like in WW1? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But it is achieved by force. JOHN (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The folks that 'whooped it up' should be ashamed of themselves. I read it as 'scoring political points' by showing avid support for Dubya, instead of being, as Scott said, 'reflective', with thoughts of the past and those that sacrificed (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I managed to catch the start of a dedication ceremony for your WW2 war memorial on Saturday evening. The whoops which greeted Bush, on what I expected to be a reflective event, forced me to switch channel... It may be a cultural thing, but I (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Semiotics and Advertising
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I found this an interesting read. I think it's fairly well known elsewhere on the web but I'd not seen it before. (URL) will take you some time to read, because a lot of the material is presented in small bites, to make you think. So wait for (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." Albert Einstein (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Again, this isn't new; it existed with Clinton, too, though the positions were often reversed, and I'd argue that there was much more "yeah, he's a slimeball sex fiend" admission on the Left during the Lewinsky matter than there is acceptance (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, if they were sacrificed, then by whom to whom? (...) You know, pro-Bush folk would probably be a lot less "rah-rah" if the Left weren't so virulently hateful of Bush as a person, much less as a politician. JOHN (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You were complaining about D-Day. As I said, the D-Day sequence is all of 20 minutes of the film. The rest is a squad searching for an american paratrooper which were generally dropped behind the american beaches. (...) Were they with the (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, in this case, you're wrong and (shudder), Scott is right. This is NOT semantics. "Made sacrifices" pertains to the Iraqi people as a whole. "Were sacrificed" pertains to the ones actually killed. HUGE difference, don't try to pave it (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: country bumpkin's 'n' pumpkins
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(...) Not without the Holy hand grenade of Antioch I won't! (...) Bummer. It seems to have disappeared from the LEGO web site:-( I have a little test of character, Don, and you passed the first one: 1. Must have love and appreciation of the work of (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, if you're gonna play hit the bunny. I'd play with (URL) this one>. "That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!" Now where's that monty python lego movie... Have fun, Don (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ZING! Good one, Don! :-) Too bad the set doesn't come with the (URL) so that the boy could hit it with the stick. On second thought, that might "hit" too close to home;-) JOHN (hehe..., a troll:-) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) [snip] Holy Cow! I'm finally getting through. Yes! That's what I've been trying to tell you. Take a break from .debate. Grab a toy and start some role playing. You'll feel much better. Let me recommend this one. (URL) comes with a pumpkin, a (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you think that the oil wealth is distributed equally per capita? That's remarkably Socialist of you, John, but it's not the reality. The state (states, really, seven of 'em) where wealth distribution on public projects is greatest is the (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmm. Oil rich countries like Iran and Iraq? And there is no doubt that a great deal of money is paid for natural resources, the question is whether the pricing and process is fair, and whether it leaves these countries better off or not. (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I try to offer alternatives; I can't help it if you are not open to them! Do I have to offer alternatives? I'm not sure I do. Example: If I catch you having sex with your cat; do I have to offer you an alternative in order to suggest you stop? (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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John I can’t help but think you are over-egging this. You force feed your teenagers this flick if you wish. I’ll focus on why D-Day had to happen, why men had to die & what would have happened if D-Day had failed. Scott A (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't remember Bush winning anything... certainly not medals in Vietnam. ;) (...) It is not semantics. There is a gulf between making a sacrifice and being sacrificed. Think about it. (...) The truth is becoming clearer day-by-day; your (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Forget the developing world for now. Let's pretend I'm a pumpkin farming country bumpkin getting a subsidy from the EU to grow the awful things even though there is no market for them. Like you describe, I sell my surplus at a discount and (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Other countries such as Saudi Arabia, or any of the other oil-rich nations? Seems to me that we are directly responsible for the enrichment of these nations by our consumption. But back to the terrorists. First, let's dispense with the notion (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) You should signal your turns. What is "AWOL"? "A Winner Over Lefties?" (...) Calloused and insensitive semantics. Par for the course. (...) Oh really. And what would it take to convince you of that? The safe $$$ is on nothing; (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your command of the obvious is impressive. (...) What the heck is your point? You really will argue about anything! (...) Again, it is a movie, not a documentary. (...) Again, what the heck is your point? (that is a rhetorical question because (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The attempts of the pro-war right to link George “AWOL” Bush’s illegal war in Iraq to WW2 never fail to leave me bemused. (...) They did not make sacrifices; they were "sacrificed". Many of us have yet to be convinced that they died for (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The film is longer than 20 minutes. Even so, were the pathfinders on all the beaches not Brits? Also, in WW2, what would the chances of a black guy (Diesel) being in a frontline squad be? Were non-whites not relegated to logistics (as they (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've never quite understood this criticism. How is a movie that covers the action of little more than a squad supposed to cover Juno, Gold, and Sword? D-Day is all of 20 minutes of the film. Doesn't Britain have it's own film industry? Can't (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Snip onerous list, but look out, I've gone long again. (...) There is no doubt that rule of law and property rights are problems in some places. As are local tinpots (which the first world tends to prop up in the name of trade which abhors (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey now, I *am* one of those farmers. Pumpkins, not corn. What do you recommend *I* do. I can't exactly dump the extras in developing countries, but I have donated hundreds to local school fund raisers. Is that cutting into the 3rd world (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Me neither. Probably why I didn't go see it. That and the bit about sitting in one seat for 3 hours. (...) I did watch most of BoB since it was already paid for on the cable TV. Very absorbing, but the digital film artifacts gave me headaches. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There have been wars since WW2 where veterans were just as brave. Have you read ChickenHawk, Dispatches or Nam? (...) Indeed. The BBC has an (URL) excellent project> underway which hopes to record personal accounts from people who were there. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you mean the 2nd scene; the film starts in a cemetery... still a very moving scene. Once they break through the Atlantic Wall the film nosedives. (...) Saving Private Ryan is basically Holywood's version of events; I'm not a big fan of (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. Frankly, I am more than a little bitter that I was not taught this respect at an early age. Instead, I was schooled to despise the military. That is just not right. (...) The humility. The willingness to answer the call of duty. To serve (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Those who have older relatives that were in WW2 have no problem respecting veterans. Unfortunately, the # of people with {living} WW2 vets is quickly decreasing. It doesn't help that a lot of WW2 vets have never discussed their experiences in the (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not exactly sure why SA titled his post the way he did, but I can say that the beginning of that movie is the most powerful and moving bit of moviemaking I have ever seen. I found myself moved to tears; humbled; and felt such a sense of (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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