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Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:13:37 GMT
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I think in FMJ, 8-Ball is shot in the leg.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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“Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.”
- Albert Einstein
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But it is achieved by force.
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You mean like in Israel/Palestine? Or do you mean like in WW1?
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First, Israel’s restraint has perpetuated the conflict with the Palestinians.
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John, your blind support for Israel, despite the “facts on the ground”, is
rather unsophisticated. In this group I have already shown you how Israel is a
belligerent power which is currently led by an alleged war criminal and fraud.
Israel uses a text which a great many people view as at least partly fictional
to justify the theft of land and the oppression of millions. None of that
suggests “restraint” to me.
Read this from AI: A pregnant woman trying to reach hospital in Bethlehem on 2
April was reported to have been stopped at an Israeli checkpoint where she
subsequently gave birth. Her baby died. I understand there have been around 50
such infant deaths since the current violence started. Does that suggest
restraint to you?
Does firing rockets into crowd from a helicopter gunship suggest restraint to
you?
Does attacking its neighbors suggest restraint to you?
Does demolishing homes with people still in them suggest restraint to you?
Need I go on?
If both sides used less violence and showed more understanding I think we’d
be closer to peace. The answer is not total war.
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The conflict could have easily been ended as far back as in 1967 after the
victory in the 6 Day War.
WWI is a classic example illustrating my point. There was no resounding
victory that ended WWI; peace was not achieved by force, but by
negotiation. This false peace, of course, led to WWII, which was ended
by force and has lasted.
I guess I should have clarified: when I said “force”, I meant a kind of force
that dictates unconditional surrender.
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“Civilized nations” (or “Presidents”) do not continue (or start) a war when
there is a non-violent alternative.
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The “understanding” comes after victory is achieved so that the defeated
country is treated in such a way so as to insure effective assimilation back
into the world of civilized nations.
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Your comment implies that the good guy always wins... just like in the fairy
tales.
Scott A
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