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Subject:	Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:46:31 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:

“Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.” - Albert Einstein

But it is achieved by force.

You mean like in Israel/Palestine? Or do you mean like in WW1?

First, Israel’s restraint has perpetuated the conflict with the Palestinians. The conflict could have easily been ended as far back as in 1967 after the victory in the 6 Day War.

WWI is a classic example illustrating my point. There was no resounding victory that ended WWI; peace was not achieved by force, but by negotiation. This false peace, of course, led to WWII, which was ended by force and has lasted.

I guess I should have clarified: when I said “force”, I meant a kind of force that dictates unconditional surrender.

The “understanding” comes after victory is achieved so that the defeated country is treated in such a way so as to insure effective assimilation back into the world of civilized nations.

JOHN

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		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
(...) Tell that to the dead women and children on both sides. (...) "Civilized nations" do not continue (or start) a war when there is a non-violent alternative. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
(...) Actually, I'd cite WWI as a great example of what Ross was getting at: Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding. The key word you are missing is "kept". If there ever was a lack of understanding destined not to (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
I think in FMJ, 8-Ball is shot in the leg. (...) John, your blind support for Israel, despite the "facts on the ground", is rather unsophisticated. In this group I have already shown you how Israel is a belligerent power which is currently led by an (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
(...) You mean like in Israel/Palestine? Or do you mean like in WW1? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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