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Re: Not Saving Private Ryan.
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Mon, 31 May 2004 12:17:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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Saving Private Ryan is basically Holywood’s version of events; I’m not a
big fan of Hollywood re-writing history. Soldiers from many nations took
part (most notably USA, UK & Canada); indeed the whole thing could have
failed if the Brits did not take and hold
Pegasus Bridge in arguably the first action of D-Day. None of that even
gets lip service in the film.
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I’ve never quite understood this criticism. How is a movie that covers the
action of little more than a squad supposed to cover Juno, Gold, and Sword?
D-Day is all of 20 minutes of the film.
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The film is longer than 20 minutes.
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You were complaining about D-Day. As I said, the D-Day sequence is all of 20
minutes of the film. The rest is a squad searching for an american
paratrooper which were generally dropped behind the american beaches.
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I think “randomly dropped” would be a better descriptor. ;)
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Even so, were the pathfinders on all
the beaches not Brits?
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Were they with the specific single company covered in the film? This was a
very narrow focus story about a very narrow set of characters and you are
complaining that the entire scope of D-Day wasn’t covered.
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The landing craft’s pilot would probably have been a Brit.
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It’s a simply
ridiculous criticism.
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I see your point, perhaps I was just been overly cautious of the movie industry
re-writing history.
As an aside, yesterday I read
this
review of SPR by someone who has not seen the movie: ‘I regard so many of
the pictures made nowadays as sheer exaggerations. Sentimental twaddle. I don’t
think I’d be very impressed with it.’ Let’s just hope he’s not seen Pearl
Harbour... that is “sentimental twaddle”!
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If you wish to say that the entirety of film doesn’t
do the Canadians/Brits/French/Russians/Etc. enough coverage, that’s a
different issue entirely, and one that the Brits should point a finger at
themselves for in part.
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As I have said, I don’t think a movie is the best way to convey what happened on
D-Day. Personally, I find the stills much more disturbing that any effect
Spielberg can throw at me. I’m also interested in perspective of the “Germans”
who tried to repel the invasion.
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Also, in WW2, what would the chances of a black guy
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(Diesel) being in a frontline squad be? Were non-whites not relegated to
logistics (as they could not be trusted to fight by those who knew best)?
Either way SPR is not the history lesson some would suggest.
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I think you are making some inaccurate assumptions about Vin Diesel’s
ethnicity to refer to him simply as “black”.
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Indeed, I understand that is his USP. Thankfully, I think SPR is the only one of
his efforts I have encountered.
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Anyway, the character he was
playing was Italian (Pvt. Adrian Caparzo).
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I was pretty sure he was an American? Can Mr Diesel do accents? Anyhow, are
there no black Italians? ;)
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Doesn’t Britain have it’s own film
industry?
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Can’t they screw up stories on their own and make Americans play
the villian (Enemy at the Gates)? :-)
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Did we make that rubbish; If so, I’ll blame the English! ;)
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Paramount, but the essential production company was British, so the main
culpablity lies there. But I’ll narrow it down to the English if you prefer.
And it at least had that body double that I can pretend was really Rachel
Weisz... :-)
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I can’t check IMDB at work, so I can’t check what you mean…
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Why in the world would Brits/Canadians want to trust their stories to
Hollywood anyway? I don’t get it. ;-)
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Indeed. I’ve seen U571.
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And I’ve seen “Breaking the Sound Barrier”, so count that as payback. :-P
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I’m sure I’ve seen that movie, but I can’t remember a thing about it right now.
Anyhow, you yanks deserve all you get on the topic of “breaking the sound
barrier” as you stole that achievement from us using a plane that could not even
take off! Cheats!
Scott A
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| (...) Flung about willy-nilly? Snafu was the order of the day, and it was up the skill, intelligence, and daring of those involved to make order out of chaos. (...) I can't say that I recall one way or the other, but I presume that they would be (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) You were complaining about D-Day. As I said, the D-Day sequence is all of 20 minutes of the film. The rest is a squad searching for an american paratrooper which were generally dropped behind the american beaches. (...) Were they with the (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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