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(URL) ensue-- Freedom Toast becomes "Comin' back with your tail between your legs" toast... Dave K (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But then again, things just get repeated... (3 posts previous... ;) ) Dave K (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ouch! "Quebec separatists defeated" (URL) much for my opinions... -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I like that-- "We had no idea that the museums would be looted!" sayeth the US forces... even after repeated requests and warnings from the curators... (URL) don't think anyone anticipated that the riches of Iraq would be looted by the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott! Really! Implying like that! The US is above reproach here! Shame on you. Dave K (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And museums, while we're at it. Dave! (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I thought this was an interesting historical note: ==+== On 21 March 1986, the Security Council President, making a "declaration" and "speaking on behalf of the Security Council," stated that the Council members are "profoundly concerned by the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 17. Wow! This is what Isreal has defied between 48 & 92: Res 101, 106, 111, 127, 162, 171, 228, 237, 248, 250, 251, 256, 259, 262, 265, 267, 270, 271, 279, 280, 285, 298, 313, 316, 317, 332, 337, 347, 425, 427, 444, 446, 450, 452, 465, 467, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hear the ministry of oil has been very well protected since the fall of Baghdad... but hospitals have been looted. Scott A (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank goodness I'm Canadian so I can bash Dubya to my hearts content... Who are these guys in suits now standing in front of my cubicle? Extradition treaty with the US? Really? Oh well, on the gallows with Dave! Dave K (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I know that there's little to be accomplished in griping about the Bush coup, but I want to be firmly on record against him so that I can be first on the gallows when Patriot II is sneaked through. Dave! (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No offense to the participants, but this is a dead issue really. People have their opinions. People do not like to admit to themselves that the U.S. is swiftly on it's way to being run like a "banana" republic, but it is. Simple as that. Believe it (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't have any particular opinion or specific knowledge of the whole Canada v Quebec thing, but I will say this -- small can be very, very good. Small means independent and self-ruling. Small means freedom and responsibility. Here in the U.S. I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He was more portrayed as an uncoordinated klutz than a bumbling fool by the media (you needed to be in a bunker when he was playing golf, for example). I believe it was LBJ that saddled him with the infamous tag line of : "He can't walk and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave is correct, can anyone guess the president who was selected and not elected? I will give you some hints: - He is a Republican - The actions of his administration did much to divide this nation - He was characterized by the media as a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) not that I dislike folks affiliated with the 'Separatist' movement, it's just that I don't know what "they" want. It is my sincere belief that we're all Canadian, and that regional differences are wonderful, but that these differences (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well no--he didn't kick out the inspectors--the inspectors were ordered out by the UN, just like this time--the inspectors were ordered out so the US could vent their aggressive tendancies. And again, if Iraq blatantly defied UN resolutions, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not hard guess, not even worth even money in Vegas. That's all the news stations can talk about these days with little exciting going on now. (...) I don't see it happening, would be convienent as we already have the troops and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let's play a game! We all throw in 10 bucks and state, for the record, who the next coutry targeted for 'WoMD disarmament' and 'harbouring terr'sts'-- I guess Syria (URL) and British officials turned up the diplomatic heat Monday on Syria, with the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) wait--no, not really. Fun parts of the article for me-- " "Initial reports indicate that this is clearly a case of denial and deception on the part of the Iraqi government," Freakly told CNN's Ryan Chilcote. " Deception? Iraq? Really? " During (...) (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry--we prefer to appoint our Presidents. Dave! (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) US elections anytime soon? Jeroen (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the David Letterman show Top Ten Things Iraq's Information Minister Has To Say About The War 10. "We're pulling down the statues of Saddam to have them cleaned" 9. "Don't believe that stuff you see on CNN...or NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox or MSNBC" 8. (...) (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Best is the new suggested revamping of the enlish language sent in by a fan of the site: " Coining Words I recently suggested a word to pseudodictionary.com al-Sahafism noun The speech delivery method and mannerism of Iraqi Information (...) (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't sign the constitution? That's your beef? Come up with something relevant to todays generation--that was in 1982 and it was bringing back the constitution from Britain. The constitution was signed by all far before either you and I were (...) (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am "shocked and awed" by this reference. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... is that the same set that was used for the Apollo moon landings? ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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and other bon mots from the Iraqi Minister of Information (regrettably, currently on "administrative leave") can be found here (URL) stuff. (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ---...--- "Powell deals Syria new warning" (URL) Powell said,] "We have designated Syria for years as a state that sponsors terrorism, and we have discussed this with the Syrians on many occasions." ---...--- 'Smoking gun' may not affect (...) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And here's another, not so wonderful, side effect (URL) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, it is from a military point of view, but it's a military situation. You can only manage things on a political level down so far, and then it becomes counter-productive. Planes are easier, because there are fewer and thus easier to manage (...) (21 years ago, 12-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All the more reason that you should take the French off your website! 8^) (...) Just pray that you don't strike oil within your Quebecois borders... Anyway, it'll be cool for the US to pick up a few maritime provinces. We'll have to redesign (...) (21 years ago, 12-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (scratching my head) All that what you've said is what appears reasonable, but strictly from a military POV. Although the casualties can be (arguably) decreased in regular action with that quicker method, the risk of catastrophic failure under (...) (21 years ago, 12-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This kinda relates to what Dave and I were discussing a while ago. He was saying that unlike those awful Americans that resorted to violence, Canada achieved its indpendence without firing a shot and had rebuffed joining the Ameican revolution (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean the USA, of course... It is the USA that gave Iraq their weapons to fight Iran. So this argument goes with what i was saying before... UN should disarm USA. Terry (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is what Frank was talking about when he mentioned the circuitous nature this conversation has taken on. I say *why* simply pulling back is not the answer, and you simply repeat that the thing to do is withdraw without addressing my (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because Québec never signed canada's constitution. Because we don't speak the same language. Because Québécois and canadians have nothing in common. I'm not Canadian, even if my passport says so. And pretty soon, less than 20 years from now, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And is it your responsability? Or accountability, if you prefer? (...) There was no such thing. If there were an RPG, knoing it's fire would have been obviously noticed (and reporters had the time to run), it could be taken down with a shell. (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Targets suspected of housing the enemy, but known to house third parties. Regarding the command level, I argue the commander of the tank hadn't got enough information to make that specific decision: he should have been told it was a hotel, and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps the UN could start by disciplining the country that supplied Saddam with his chemical weapons and which looked the other way while he used them in the 80's. Then maybe the UN could grab Kissinger and try him for war crimes. That would (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) is truly shameful here is that these people had to wait for 24 years to escape this evil tyrant. Additionally shameful is the fact that this liberation came not at the hands of the United Nations, or neighboring Islamic nations. This was not a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Check this out: "This war was not worth a child's finger" (URL) think what I like about the article is the documenting of the arguments and techniques to justify the war. As many breathe a sigh of relief they instantly forget the slippery slope we (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Besides the funny psychoanalysis of 'Nique that's going on right now... " The Resistance: Wartime News: · Former 3rd Rock from the Sun star French Stewart changes his name to Freedom Stewart. "It's my patriotic duty," says actor. · Pro-neutral (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Hey Terry, I don't want to make this sound like QB bashing, but "My Country, Quebec'? Terry, what gives? It's like saying, "My Country, Ontario" or "My Country, Hamilton". (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As I sit embedded in my sofa, alert but not alarmed[1], I wonder in shock and awe at the barrage of jargonised verbiage being fired by weapons of mass instruction in the battle for my heart and mind. Brooding in my evil lair, I seek a human shield (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably true. But Larry's assertion was that stupid people getting themselves killed was 'evolution in action'. Assuming that when Larry says 'evolution' he means 'evolution [of something] through natural selection', I see no evidence that (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I'd say we're pretty smart. In reality, I think the average person doesn't have much care for most of what goes on in the world because it simply doesn't really effect them (see my earlier discussion on the total impact to me (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Something to consider is the cost of shipping. Several years ago (work, that was 4 years ago...) we looked into shipping LEGO to Turkey after one of the earthquakes. We ended up discovering all sorts of problems. See this post from Selcuk (and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it's truly futile to have these discussions, then aren't we being dumb by having them? That's what I'm reading from your position, that these discussions are futile because not enough of us are involved. Frank (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could do it for you, I really think this is a great idea. I could organize this, but I'd need a little help from some people to get seriously started. Who's in? Terry www.rotule.qc.ca (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't? Have you read this forum lately? Really, I mean, John something is absolutely positive about this kind of stuff and many support him. I really shouldn't even answer to this low-blow, because it's absolutely intrue, but I do not (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry you feel insulted for so little, especially since you said yourself you "assumed" I was talking about Americans, while I was talking about anyone in N. America or Europe. Now, I didn't include you in the 95%, so I don't see why you (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not what I meant at all. All I meant was that having these discussions will have very little impact since people are dumb and will often follow the best leader (which I didn't mention). Now, the smart people are not necessarily going to change (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where did I say I'm talking ONLY about USA when I say 95% of all people are dumb? I meant the whole planet! My Country, Québec, included! I'm not Anti-American. I'm anti-republican, yes, but that's got nothing to do with it. Now, you mentioned (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A clever idea, but a common misconception: after tens of thousands of years of people existing, most of us are still pretty stupid - at least some of the time (hey, I persist in posting to o-t.d!). The long run must be pretty long indeed! (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your last two posts are basically trolls, Lar. Personally, I have found your position pretty wishy-washy so far. Against the war, but if we're in it, then let's do this or that thing. Etc, Etc, Etc. One band-aid solution after another. I think (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep. Kos is a useful idiot all right... Where's the pictures of the tens of thousands of civilians Saddam gassed AFTER 1991? Where are the pictures of the hundreds of thousands of civilians who starved to death (must be true, Scott A. said it (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You shoot the tank, or the AA, and hope for the best. I like Frank's analysis... if your enemy is desperate enough to blow off the normal rules of war, you don't get a free pass, you still have to do your best to stick to your own rules and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see any of those people here. However I DO see people here who think the US can do no *right*. (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'm not exactly sure what angle you're coming from, but I'm just hoping you're not acting on the implication that 'most people'- I'm assuming you mean american - spend their time watching TV or preoccupation with a job. I can't (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well - I was serious, but I have a feeling something like this might be a logistical nightmare. Does anyone have any experience organising anything like this? I seem to recall a similar suggestion was put forward for African kids a while back, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But why does some "commander" have to make a decision? The tank commander is a "commander". If a tank commander can't make immediate decisions, then how can you argue that anyone short of the chief can make decisions? Does a private have to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may be missing something, but the way I'm reading it, you're saying that we might as well not critically think about things because sometimes the masses will choose the wrong action, thus, since it's a total crap shoot as to whether a good (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I did say "is rapidly getting pointless" not "is pointless" or "has been pointless". I think we have reached the point where everyone is starting to repeat themselves by repeating themselves. The only way out of the impasse at this point (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good idea. I'm in, if you're for real. Pedro (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's an idea - why doesn't everyone donate a few bricks, and we collect it all into one big crate, and ship it off to the Iraqi kids? Sure water's probably more important to them right now, but hey they need toys to play with too. ROSCO (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That decision is easy to take. In a few words, the tanks can fall back to point "A", where no mortar can reach. (...) Indeed. (...) Sorry, I misread. My bad. (...) But I'm not advocating delay under exposure - that's why I say fall back, (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great job Bruce, you were able to nail down two of my biggest problems with the Republican party, the reason I am an independant instead. You also summed them up very nicely. I agree the government should not reserve the right to kill it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not too hard: too slow. Shells are dropping. Mortars require a spotter. As I said, there are circumstances where you can't shilly-shally (delay, stall, avoid positive action). Oops! Just lost B company, maybe we can make a group decision, show (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are perfectly free to kill each other, government took away that right (okay, hoarded it for itself, if you wanna be picky). We are perfectly free to take that other person's stuff, and government took away that right (same caveat). In a (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is more than one way to take an objective. This approach, if proven too hard, could be abandoned for a better one. (...) That situation you refer as possible would present an interesting possibility: to wait, out of range. A hospital is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I agree with some parts of your argument, but I find much of your argument to be egotistic and bordering on offensive. Humanity is born into freedom, if you are a religious person it is a gift from God, if not it is a natural endowment. Governments (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch! This, from the guy who claims to throw me on the "respect" heap. Cold water, indeed... Dave! (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cold water shriveled your post, I suppose? Oooooooo, sorry, does, that count as comment? -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was in the pool! Dave! (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your post isn't short but is as long as anyone's? Absolutely, positively no comment. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are only two *effective* parties, unless one wants to count the indirect effect of altering the national debate (Greens and Libertarians). But yes, the Republicrats have put up barriers to organizing new parties. It's bad because it (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What are you talking about? My posts are as long as anyone's. Dave! (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. Let me state that the three people's opinions that I most respect and enjoy reading are yours, Pedro's, and Lindsay's (okay, maybe throw Dave! in there, though he can get a little short at times (as if I'm better <g>)). This is one of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're on the right track, but (if you'll forgive me) I think your assessment misses the real problem. Bush and Ashcroft and Cheney and the rest (and Clinton et al, to be fair) know EXACTLY what rights are, and that's why they're working so (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. In case an RPG had been fired, people (near it) in the hotel would have been able to tell and run away. And the response would have been proportional. Then again, was there a sniper? (...) Would a sniper be so IDIOT to the point of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The answer is simple: they were under fire. You can't wait around for a Delta Force team to be rounded up, briefed, assess the situation, and then make a strike. Mortar rounds are coming in *now*. I don't think asking guys in a tank to take (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is that Patriot Act? I love your answer! Sarcasm is always very funny! Indeed, if I stopped questionning the almighty and righteous american saviors, I'd have more friends, but alas! I'm not a sheep... Terry www.rotule.qc.ca (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But it doesn't make it better, because you could be wrong and all those sheeps would follow the wrong leader, just as it's the case with Bush and his followers. Your argument is biased by the fact you think (or give the impression that you (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would also add that even the people that make these laws and acts don't truly understand the meaning of them. When the founding fathers of the USA wrote the constitution, they understood far more than the present govt what "rights" mean. The (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the sniper had fired an RPG at the tanks instead of an AK-47 (or whatever), would you likewise assert that the targeted soldiers should hunker down and wait? And, once you agree that the presence of an RPG changes things, you'll need to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hang its butt. Just a little more observation skills, to be put to work before the shootout. (...) If I did, would I have posted? (...) You said it. Pedro (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll grant that the average person on the street isn't applying critical thinking, and probably even many of us "smart" folks take the easy way out frequently, but someone has to keep their mind open. Personally, I don't think it actually (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (...) It's not just "wait for orders"; is "wait for superior assessment of the altered situation". The hotel, which would in abstract be a non-target, might become one AFTER command's assessment of the situation. They receive info from the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're absolutely right, Scott--we should work to keep them oppressed so that they don't have the chance to oppress anyone else. Shame on you for your xenophobic, inflammatory, and fear-mongering assertion. (...) Of course he will, if there's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if they didn't have a special ops team? You seem to want the military to hang its butt out to avoid any possibility of injuring non-combatants. If the good guys always fought the way you seem to want them to, we wouldn't be living in (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to sort through your "newspeak" yesterday, citizen, but I couldn't really connect the dots. Why don't you try to explain your position on this "holy" war to the individual pictured here: (URL) hope your god has comforts and (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you've probably seen it. I'm still looking for the video, though. (...) I still maintain the crewmen could have chosen to look more carefully. The hotel has enough side clearance to stand isolated, so there are no distractions to it. e (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what - you soot the mosque next to the tank, or the tank? Do you shoot the hospital wards next to the AA, or the AA? Or in this case, does the tank shoot at the MoI (target), or the hotel some 100+ meters from it? (...) Precisely. Those are (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Terry is 100% right. One thing though: the details of the anti-war side are hard to discuss because every point is at least a sub-argument. Nothing is a given because some things remain speculative because the only available knowledge is outside (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but it puts you in the center of the crosshairs. With a Patriot Act that may never expire maybe we can some day figure out a way to reach across the border and drag you down here to suffer the penalty of U.S. law. Collaborator. You are (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, do you really think the people who are expressing stupid opinions such as : "USA is supported by God" or "SH is the Devil and we HAD to get rid of him, there was NO other solution!!!" will listen to any good argument? They are blind to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, the war isn't a waste of time, so we should just go on about our business and not talk about it and build some LEGO instead? Personally, while I think some of the opinions are wrong here, I think it's good to talk about what's going on. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do they have to wait for orders from above for ANY threat? How far up do they have to go to wait for orders? Does each soldier have to call Bush (commander in chief) on the phone before shooting someone who might be a non-combatant? Soldiers (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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