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Re: Hotel Palestine
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:11:57 GMT
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Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
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> > > Was it reasonable use of force?
> > > If indeed the tank crewman thought he saw a spotter (and I have to give him
> > > eagle eyes to choose among all the people with lenses on the balconies),
> > > wasn't that whole incident a lot like using a nuke to kill flies?
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> > You just don't get it do you?
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> > This line of debate is rapidly getting pointless.
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> Whoa. Let me state that the three people's opinions that I most respect and
> enjoy reading are yours, Pedro's, and Lindsay's (okay, maybe throw Dave! in
> there, though he can get a little short at times (as if I'm better <g>)).
> This is one of the very rare times I feel Pedro is talking about something
> he doesn't really understand and is so emotionally wrapped up in that it is
> something of a barrier to his understanding the situation.
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> I think it is very illustrative to see how someone outside of North America
> views the events, even if I disagree with their interpretation. I'm not
> sure that I will change Pedro's mind during the course of this discussion:
> people usually don't change their minds until some time later when they have
> had a chance to reflect on what was said, and perhaps look into the matter
> some more. I don't think this has been pointless.
Well, I did say "is rapidly getting pointless" not "is pointless" or
"has been pointless". I think we have reached the point where everyone
is starting to repeat themselves by repeating themselves.
The only way out of the impasse at this point I think is for people to
take the time to think about the questions the others have asked. I know
for our part, we are basically asking "what can we really expect a
soldier to consider when faced with a stressefull combat situation where
people are dying". Pedro is asking "what could the soldiers do
differently to further minimize the risk of non-combatant casualties" (I
hope he acknowledges that we really are trying to take care [if we
weren't, there would not have been ANY US casualties from car bombs
crashing into checkpoints, we would also have done a heck of a lot more
bombing before rolling the troops in <like we did in '91>]).
Frank
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| (...) Whoa. Let me state that the three people's opinions that I most respect and enjoy reading are yours, Pedro's, and Lindsay's (okay, maybe throw Dave! in there, though he can get a little short at times (as if I'm better <g>)). This is one of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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