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Re: Hotel Palestine
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Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:35:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> > The story is here:
> > http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&lng=1&option=1,info
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> Alas, it is no longer there on the page, and searching for it isn't an
> option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the
> video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident
> from start to finish, not just the moment of firing.
I regret to hear it's no longer there. If I find this video on the web,
would you care for me to send it?
> > > > Absurd. And grotesque.
> > >
> > > Dunno. Could be, then again, I don't see enough information to say "absurd"
> > > or "grotesque". Yet. I have a hard time getting worked up over things like
> > > this when first reported. Conflicting reports come out, disinformation,
> > > misinformation. The story mutates and then it seems like wasted emotion.
> >
> > Reports are one thing; they can cause confusion. Today for instance, I woke
> > up with Saddam friends dead, and by bedtime they're missing (again). The
> > images of the hotel bombing are explicit enough, though.
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> Regarding reports: see what I mean? Regarding images, can't say since I
> can't get at 'em, but you have to be wary of images, too. There's a video
> of Tien An Men Square where a soldier sprays the crowd with bullets, he runs
> out of ammo (or the gun jams) and the crowd literally rips him to pieces.
> The Chinese government edited out the spraying of bullets and showed it as
> evidence that the crowd was violent.
The footage showed some 5 secs of the tank turret taking aim, then shooting,
then the camera shook. If the tank and the target had been in different
images, then it would be a lot more suspicious.
> I'm not saying that there is any kind of malacious editing in this instance,
> but the state of the tank at the moment of firing and the state of the tank
> at the time the sniper started firing may be two different things. Does the
> video show the *entire* sequence? If the tank was buttoned up the entire
> time, then where to fire was probably relayed from outside of the tank.
The video shows two tanks, one aiming forward (towards the MoInformation?),
and the other one aiming (and shooting) the hotel. There is sound in the
pics; no rifle bullets are heard, but the tank shot is heard a little after
the explosion in the hotel.
There was no sniper; the tank crew may *thought to have seen one*, but if
noone else much nearer saw anything...
The ground was hit near the tanks, yes, by what appeared to be rifle fire;
from the direction of the dust that was lifted from the ground, I suppose
the shot came from the front of the tank, and not the side at where the
turret was aimed. In appearance, the other tank was "at work", while this
one was shooting at the wrong side.
> > > > Whomever identified that hotel as a target, that person clearly has no
> > > > capability to foresee the consequences of his actions. Wouldn't any army be
> > > > better off expurged of such incompetents?
> > >
> > > Yes. Idiocy and high-explosives are a dangerous mix. But see below.
> > >
> > > > "Support the troops"... yeah, right. You might start to do that providing
> > > > them with some good sense!
> > >
> > >
> > > Have good sense. A person that voluntarily joined the military. These are
> > > mutually exclusive terms. :-)
> >
> > I appreciate your irony; under peaceful circumstances, I'd laugh. Right now
> > that has costed lives. Sorry mate, today I'm as sad as a man can be :-(
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> War is hell. :-(
Yup.
Pedro
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| (...) Post it here, but I believe that I have seen the video on CNN - they were showing it, but running on about something else. Tank shoots building. Pretty straightforward and undeniable. (...) (strategic snipping of my own comments to string this (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident from start to finish, not just the moment of firing. (...) Regarding reports: see what I mean? (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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