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(...) Then you are going to have to explain what you mean by "we are all equal nations". (...) Thank you. (...) Straw man-- I *never* used the UN to justify *anything*. Contrare, I think that the UN is a sham! I used the example of the UN's decision (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Harkonnen? Atriedes? Doesn't matter... ...the spice must flow. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ::sigh:: Potential has nothing to do with it, just as belief has nothing to do with it. It's an observable phenomena: if you split an atom, energy will be released. Emphasis dropped because it is not a wonder -- it is a known thing. Stop (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you honestly think a change of regime in Iraq will stop the flow of money from the oil fields to Al-Qaida? ROSCO (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may call it "ploughed ground" but what you say here is contradictory to whay you said earlier-- (...) "The self preservation of our way of life", or as Dubya says in every single speech, "Protecting Americans". And everyone else in the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) All I know is that JRRT used to get his "knickers in a knot" anytime someone brought up the idea that LoTR alluded to the situation in Britain before, during and after the war. I (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, I would say that a *country* is on an even playfield with any other country where international relations is concerned. One country imposing itself on another sovereign country because they feel they're 'better' is unjust. What goes on (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't care what you *believe* will happen if you split an atom, potential energy *will* be released. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Potential is not reality. Like hope or faith, it's just something you happen to believe. And I do think you are exhibiting every sign of a kind of myopia. You should have that checked... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ploughed ground, but I'll explain again. Saddam supports terrorists (paying Palestinians families of homicide bombers is one example that we are aware). He has, in fact, terrorized his own people with chemical and biological weapons. The man (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Y'know, I think that some people read things like the "Dune" series, or Asimov's "Foundation" series as if they were supposed to closely identify with certain characters and as if that were the point. To me the point of these stories is to make (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not here (in this thread) to assert that we're the very best. It's just clear to me that some countries *are* better than others. I gave an example of a country that's clearly toward the bottom so that there could be no quibbling about the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you couldn't find fault with, then, the idea that Canada is superior to America, because, as polls show, we have a better quality of life than America--we were number 1, and are now number 3, after all... Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, you're not exactly reaching for much are you? That's like saying that I may not be perfectly sane, but I am saner than Charles Manson. Another post empty of content from the Great and Powerful O...er, Larry. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quality of life that they delliver to their citizens, and, more importantly, that they're likely to deliver to their citizens in future. It's not about size, it's not about population, it's not about military might, it's not about resources, (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you believe that Iraq had agressive intentions towards the US in the immediate future? That this country, which couldn't send a missle 800 miles outside their borders was well on its way to threaten the peace, security and "freedom and (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure that they are necessarily mutually exclusive. The ultimate self-interest motive in our war against Saddam is the self-preservation of our way of life which is all about Freedom and Liberty. If you are referring to motives like oil (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol so now we are demonized because we don't stick our collective nose in *everywhere*?! (...) *YET*! That's the *WHOLE* point. (...) And why does NK have nukes? The UN forbade it. What exactly *can* we do at this point? One doesn't just go in (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely. It's called overextending yourself. Spread yourself thinly enough, gamble enough, and you may find yourself in the position of the snail getting salt dumped on him. You dissolve. And Empire means spreading yourself thin hoping you (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Actually I was trying to imply without saying it that I consider Larry a friend and I respect his opinions, when he lists them ;) My friends and I are always, "Put up or shut up", "Put your money where your mouth is", when we (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, that's not just you-- I agree with you! I'd probably say "Lion's share", but that's just me:-) (...) Accepted. (...) Ahem. Don't confuse the terms Democracy and Freedom with Capitalism-- they aren't necessarily interchangeable. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) Eh, like those cutsey posters, everything I need to know for life I learned in either kindergarden or from watching Star Trek. Never leave tribbles unattended! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Snip out all the stuff. Whatever. If your gov't is allowing oppression in certain countries because it suits your countrys needs and wants, and yet goes to wars with other countries because it suits your needs--I like how Iraq is an American (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Larry has a "tiresome" way of asserting the existence of some arguments that should silence us all, but then never actually putting any of these things into words. It's as if he sits there smug and superior, knowing all and revealing (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, and I apologize. The America-centric vibe I get from John's posts slanted my readings. I would have said something like, "There are many countries that have contributed 'blessings' to the world, and America has had it's fair share." But (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How obtuse can you be??? We are talking about *governments*. Free and democratic societies are superior to repressed ones ruled by dictators. What about that is so hard to understand? JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave: for clarity's sake, let me point out that John is objecting (not incorrectly) to your charge that he is painting the US as the sole provider of blessings, when in fact he merely asserted that the US has produced countless blessings. For (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, your very posts show me that "America the Great" is what matters, and other ideas be damned. (...) Now look who's misreading--I never said "morally equivelance" at all. Would you please read and understand what is being said. In so many (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is not a straw man at all, Larry, and I'm sorry that you're tired. But when you are wrong, you're wrong. You have no issues pointing out when I'm wrong (or others), and I have no problems accepting such criticism. But *a* country has the same (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I say that? You are obfuscating and being argumentative. (...) I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. (...) I reject your moral equivelance of nations. The second we think we are better is the second that there are second class (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Dave. Some nations are better than others. That's no slur against those who happen to live in the nations that aren't up to snuff. But when you say stuff like "We, all of us, are equal nations", you're being tiresome. Note that I didn't (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because I am a red-blooded american boy; living, breathing, working, and striving for all that is great and good for my world; and because I am committed to a larger project which takes the downturns and the upswings with a grain of salt; (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More important that 'freedom toast'-- "Two U.S. officials also said Iraqi dissidents slated to take prominent roles in any postwar administration have voiced concerns about the U.N.'s role. "The U.N. has a history of slow, bloated bureaucracy (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Also on CNN today: Bush rallies troops at Central Command in Florida (URL) Air Force One on the flight to Tampa, the breakfast menu included stuffed "Freedom Toast," the latest example of changing menus to show displeasure with (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [Unless they are allies: Pakistan & Israel come to mind] (...) [Yeah, hes already shown himself to be "thankful " for *others* fighting for his country: Vietnam comes to mind] (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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*Applause* (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? You think America the Great is the only country that 'produces countless blessings upon the world'? You act as if America is the second coming, John! We, all of us, are equal nations (or at least should be), and the second you start (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just once I would love Dubya to have a speech about this war of his and not infer that's it's due to 9/11 His speech in the Pentagon-- "Eighteen months ago, this building came under attack. From that day to this we have been engaged in a new kind of (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with some of that, *but* your [collective] "love of Freedom and liberty" is not reflected in your support for all manner of deviants [both current & past] is it? Is self-interest more important than your [collective] "love of Freedom (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to say, I could not agree more with this point. Searching for legal loopholes to justify highly questionable in/actions is a major annoyance to me. The UK's use of cluster bombs in Iraq [anti-personnel bombs in all but name] is an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) She also writes in that article (and indirectly criticizes you for your one-sided except): "It would be unfair to reach these harsh conclusions without pointing out that America does provide much aid and expertise to the developing world and (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch! Down goes Fraser! He'll be reeling after that hit! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, whole countries have been invaded [allegedly] on that basis. :-\ Scott A (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before someone points out my error, I should have describe the woman's actions as "second degree murder" rather than "third degree murder." I'm reluctant to address the specifics of your story in case further details should be revealed as we (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to try to single folks out, but your "Dream of America the Perfect" must be revisited--Directed at John 'Faith in their own exceptionalism,' she writes, 'has sometimes led to a certain obtuseness on the part of Americans, a tendency to (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We will see: Iraq contracts 'open to all' (URL) United States has assured foreign companies that they will be allowed to bid for contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq after the war is over. There has been concern in Britain and elsewhere (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not in Scotland; here photovoltaics & wind power are predictably unpredictable. We are taking a centralised broad-spectrum approach to renewables: hydro, biomas, wind and marine current power. Right now about 10% of our power needs come from (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand there are outstanding cases [from both sides] from Vietnam & Korea. (...) This powerful text lists the articles that have been broken: One rule for them (URL) Bay, in Cuba, where 641 men (nine of whom are British citizens) are (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If pictures do exist, there are cultural reasons why we would not show them. That does not mean that extra-judicial executions are not occurring. I read this report from Afghanistan yesterday: One rule for them (URL) interviewed a Northern (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fine. I really approve of the goals of the federal Constitution. Satisfied? We are such a long way from when the cup may have been half full at this point in time -- it is so clearly no more than half empty now. And how we can we free others (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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...Or, "How to turn $75 million USD into $1 billion by making friends and influencing people, and killing thousands of others besides." Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War (URL) the party begin) Prisoners of Hypocrisy (URL) Damned Spot!) Tony (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Something we agree on. Given the "problems" with our itelligence, why would you rather err on the side of war? Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out? Perhaps you can explain it better... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good modern photovoltaics pay for themselves in ~13 years and last ~20 years. Because they're modular, you can scale your installation easily to provide far in excess of the power you need. Or am I misunderstanding your meaning? (...) You just (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:> (...) Not necessarily nukes. they know c would annihilate them for that. however a terrorist group *could* come up with chem or bio weapons themselves, and therefore using them would hurt c (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) fire? (...) is not grounds for shooting them. (How did that happen?) (...) a (...) there (...) You misunderstand due to me not being more clear in that post. She was attacked by 7 different people. After the first 4 she bought a gun which was (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Zing! Good one! JOHN (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'll work with that. You say that pointing out our flaws is part of being a good American. I think we can agree here; I would say that being a good American in part means being vigilant about protecting the ideals of our Constitution. My (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Estate taxes? =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, that *is* pretty lame. By that logic, they could charge dead people for their non-use of food, air, and water. Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can vouch for the disparagement of solar power in CA where there is bill either under consideration or that has been passed that allows PG&E to "tax" an individual's non-use of the utility when that individual is using alternative energy (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Care to finish that thought? But even without the finish I can take issue with your point. You're advocating the preemptive murder of people whom you perceive to violate your basic freedoms, am I right? Doesn't that sound a trifle insane to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not saying we are all wrong -- we certainly do a lot of pointless, stupid, shallow things though. Pointing out those flaws is in my view being a good american because my point is the improvement of our circumstances. I have lost all hope (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please be reasonable and THINK just for one moment. What are your standards for proof? In a court of law we would look at the accused and wonder if he had means, motive, and opportunity based upon evidence. We look at a cocaine dealer and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the good part--the "imho" Perhaps I should have stated that "All of the following are my ideals that I try to adhere to, and my reasons for doing so." But I don't think that covers your objection. So to stop the flogging of the dead (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me try it from another tack. You may be contributing to breaking your ideals, yes, and I don't dispute that, but that's it. Your statement above only holds if it is necessarily true that law abiding citizens (you are law abiding) having (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How's that again?? Not to go 'round and round with you about the specific *gun* issue, 'cause both you and I are unmoveable on that one, and we both know it... If one of *my* ideals is that guns are bad, but I go get a gun because now my (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In each case I advocated shooting someone they either would have or did cause physical harm or were violating basic freedoms. Disagreeing with someone (...) Politicians only went to washington when there was actually something that needed (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and Tony supports Bush on this.... even though some of my countrymen are held there. Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have a look at this: (URL) more money [Brown and Root] spend, the more profitable the contract is," says Professor Steve Schooner, a contract expert from George Washington University. "Nobody in their right mind would enter into a contract (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been reading it since about day 10 :) You can order the first book from amazon.com... All my friends have borrowed it over the last few weeks. I find it rather 'even handed' where spirituality is concerned--the 'munication between the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ***snipped*** Heh. I just don't want Mike throwing down on me when I call him on a fit of post hoc reasoning. Dave! (With very sparing use of the !) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Don't drag the gun debate into this or you'll get responses like the following, which will derail the thread. (...) No, actually, assuming you're a law abiding citizen otherwise, with a healthy respect for the rights of others, and you've been (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, for the love of everything sacred and holy!! Stop being!!! Oh wait... i forgot to finish that tho...(pause) What's this on the back of my hand? ;) I believe the word I was going to use was something along the lines of "Obtuse" or (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US is mostly good (light grey) and the SH regime is almost completely bad (I can't think of anything good about it at the moment, but maybe there is somewhere some bureaucrat within it doing good). The Geneva convention has been mostly (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder how well that would really work, or do you mean I should have my own generator for the winter months when solar is unlikely to provide the power I need. I think electric plants are far more efficient than a generator could be (and of (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sinfest has a habit of making god look rather ridiculous, you know... (one of the reasons it's one of my faves...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The conversation? Well one could wish far worse fates on the readership than for that particular conversation to cease existing, Dave! You know, you sure do use a lot of "!" in your writing, Dave! And what's more, it seems to incite others to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are there any other possible explanations? Or is patronage for certain the only reason this contract was awarded? Patronage sucks, I always hate to see it. But how many US companies are there (please excuse me if I leave out French, German, (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, that's quite an indictment! Cease existing! Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, but that's just a recount of the accepted votes, and it doesn't factor in the irregularities in ballot format, the use of obsolete machines in democrat-friendly districts, the unlawful removal of legal voters from the voting registries, (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, obviously you think it is untrue, but why? It seems like virtually all the evidence points the way I'm suggesting. And for the record, I don't think that he's as dumb as he seems...he almost couldn't be! But even if he were, it is still (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You just aren't listening, or being deliberately obtuse. *You* started this thread with: (URL) which you expressed outrage because Iraqis violated Geneva Conventions I, as well as others went on to point out to you, John, that the US, as well (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which, surprise surprise, Haliburton--Cheneys old company, gets the first contract... Hmmm... Dave K (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By "same thing", do you mean that *we* are waving white flags at the Iraqi army and then ambushing them, or do you mean that we are displaying closeup images of dead Iraqis shot execution style through their forehead?" (...) Please cite (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This got a mention from one of your countrymen [NJ] in a letter to the Guardian published today: Remember Guantanamo (URL) cannot recall a greater instance of hypocrisy in the recent past and a greater disconnect with international opinion. As (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, is a great day when you have to "buy your posse" to take out "the bad guy". Paying to convince contries to be on-side. NEXT! Dave K (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I reject that you can sit there on your high horse and say "Those b*stards!!" when you're doing the same thing. I'm not saying that the US is *morally* equivalent to SH and his regime--I'm quite thankful that, even though it was under (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sinner: repent ye because ye have sinned! The "sin": Larry [2003]: (URL) someone observed to Winston Churchill that his predecessor as prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, was a humble man, Churchill is reported to have replied, "And he has so (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Let's be realistic, Scott--my countrymen treated American Muslims like crap long before 9-11. We don't need some outside agency to create our racism for us. We're a nation of do-it-yourselfers! Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Arab states line up behind Iraq (URL) summit of Arab foreign ministers has demanded the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of US and British forces from Iraq ==+== All but Q8 condemn the invasion as a "violation of the United Nations Charter" (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If true, I’m disappointed but not surprised by this story. I’d be surprised if UK servicemen had not been trained to expect this. This “war” looks like taking a little longer than I expected due to the Iraqi’s willingness to postpone the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "It is, are you?" I never buy it; it is so mind bogglingly dull. But it is a credible news source. Paypal me $2, and I'll mail you a copy. (...) Hmm. "Terrorism", that term is so passé. Try "shock 'n' awe". Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1. It was a mob. 2. They were not shooting at anyone in the water; they feared someone was in the rushes. [We all fear the unknown to some extent.] 3. Look at how some of your countrymen treated American Muslims in the aftermath of 911. Those (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry Richard. I must conform. I must ignore you. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. ... .. . Scott A Shakti Gawain: "We will discover the nature of our particular genius when we (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, who knows? I think it bears far greater investigation but our press is asleep at the wheel. I can't even watch CNN anymore, and is Fox is a bloody joke. There's still some hard-hitting stuff on the web, but you have to dig a little -- (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) for their actions but probably won't. (...) For the record, I voted for Bush Jr. simply because I felt he was the least unquaified at the time. Gore just plain scared me, whereas Bush simply came off as stupid. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still not getting where you are going with this, Larry. Free market of governments? What in the world does that have to do with inheritable contracts as a system of stable (or coercive) government? Unreasonable coercive barriers to entry (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have a license to practice that pop psychology? (...) As far as you know. (...) You probably think you are a hoot. JOHN (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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