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Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
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Date: 
Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:46:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:

> I am not saying we are all wrong -- we certainly do a lot of pointless,
> stupid, shallow things though.  Pointing out those flaws is in my view being
> a good american because my point is the improvement of our circumstances.  I
> have lost all hope though, hence the tendency to merely rant.
> 
> Reasonableness is all many of us are after though.

Okay, I'll work with that.  You say that pointing out our flaws is part of
being a good American.  I think we can agree here; I would say that being a
good American in part means being vigilant about protecting the ideals of our
Constitution.  My problem with you, Richard, is that *all* you ever do is
criticize America and those who defend her.  I mean, what is the difference
between you and your criticism only rants and someone merely spouting
un-American rhetoric?  Maybe I should ask you: what would you consider
something or someone to be "un-American"?

I would probably relax a lot more in this group if I saw more props for America
instead of the *constant* US bashing that goes on here.  I think we agree on a
lot about what is good about this country, so why is it that I feel as if I
must constantly defend her here?

I would hope that every American in this NG thinks that we are the greatest
nation on the earth, is proud to be an American, and I guess I really don't
care *why* one believes it (except for anyone who believes that we are great
because of some illegitimacy-- I'll take issue with that).  But my feeling is
that some Americans in this NG are *ashamed* of being American, are reticent or
refuse to say anything *good* about America, because they don't want to be
perceived as "flag-wavers".  They won't say *anything* positive about America
unless and until she becomes *perfect*.  The ingratitude drives me up the wall!

Yeah, we pale in comparison to perfection.  But compared to the *world* we
*are* the standard.  Sure we can raise our own standard, but in the world we
are the manifested ideal.

So a little credit where it is due every now and then would go a long way in my
mind, or pausing to realize how fortunate we are to live in a country that
values Freedom and Liberty does a soul good, and might help you, Richard, to
realize that there is a *LOT* of hope for this country yet.

JOHN



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  Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
 
(...) Fine. I really approve of the goals of the federal Constitution. Satisfied? We are such a long way from when the cup may have been half full at this point in time -- it is so clearly no more than half empty now. And how we can we free others (...) (24 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
 
(...) I am not saying we are all wrong -- we certainly do a lot of pointless, stupid, shallow things though. Pointing out those flaws is in my view being a good american because my point is the improvement of our circumstances. I have lost all hope (...) (24 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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