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Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:08:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > Our faith in our exceptionalism creates the spirit and will to engage in such
> > behaviors as well. You know, it's not that we think we are perfect. We know
> > we are not, but we are constantly striving to become it. It's not that we
> > think we are better than anyone else, it's just that when we look at everyone
> > else, we say "we can do better". That spirit stems directly from our love of
> > freedom and liberty.
> >
> > It may sometimes result in obtuseness, but many times it produces countless
> > blessings upon the world.
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> What? You think America the Great is the only country that 'produces
> countless blessings upon the world'?
Did I say that? You are obfuscating and being argumentative.
> You act as if America is the second coming, John!
I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.
> We, all of us, are equal nations (or at least should be), and
> the second you start thinking that you're better than the rest is the second
> that there are second class citizens that are allowed to suffer so you can
> live better.
I reject your moral equivelance of nations. The second we think we are better
is the second that there are second class citizens that are allowed *to be free
from their repressive, immoral governments*. How else do you muster the
authority to act *in any way* in the world? What justification did the UN use
to intervene in Kuwait in '91? Consensus! I reject consensus as a basis of
acting in the world. Right and wrong are not subject to the whims of corrupt,
self-interested governments. Morality is *not* relative. The US government is
*not* equal to the government of China. We *do* have the moral high ground,
because we love freedom and liberty. And you are left to *defend* evil regimes
such as the ones in NK and Iraq if one self-interested country on the security
council vetoes interdiction. I don't care how many self-interest driven
governments object to us-- it doesn't make their positions morally right.
It's really funny when you and others all agree that Saddam is evil, but are
unwilling to *confront* the evil. It's all disingenuous lip service, because
in the final analysis, you are not willing to put your proverbial money where
your mouth is. Inspections-- what a pathetic joke. You do not love freedom,
because you are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to obtain and keep
it.
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> The very minute you raise yourself above the rest, you can ignore all sorts
> of atrocities elsewhare because 'it's only them'.
What are you talking about? If you raise your moral standards, you suddenly
*can't* ignore atrocities elsewhere.
> So again, America is not God's gift to the world.
As far as you know. Or did God tell you that personally?
JOHN
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