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Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:49:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
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> > But that's not how it works--everyone, no matter the background, has the
> > same voice--one person, one vote, or it doesn't work for *all*.
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> OK... one person one vote... that was a proposed metric too. In that case,
> the US gets what, 10 times the votes that Canada does? And India gets 5
> times again since it's 5 times bigger than the US (I didn't look the exact
> figures up, you get the idea here... quibble about whether it's 5 or 4 as
> you like).
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> As far as funding based voting, what I referred to (as being proposed by
> someone else) was not total foreign aid but UN budget contribution.
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> What you're proposing/defending is one nation, one vote. Libya gets an equal
> say about human rights as Canada does. Fiji gets an equal say about economic
> aid (to Fiji, in some cases) as Australia does.
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> The UN is broke. Nations are not equal.
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> The UN founders recognised that to be so in the Security Council, at least.
> Some nations have more of a voice than others do. But they didn't allow for
> changes in things, the wrong 5 have vetos now, by just about any metric you
> care to name.
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> You continue to insist that all nations are equal or equivalent. Bunk.
> Canada SHOULD have more of a voice in things than the DPRK.
I like hw you extoll the tenants of democracy except where you think it'll
work against you.
You have *no* faith in your fellow man--if there are all these counties,
with equal voice, you think that if a vote came up--"Should Iraq disarm"
that there would be 50%+1 of the conteies saying "no"?
North Korea is *one* vote, out of all the votes.
We can sit here all smug like and say "we're better then them" but, first,
how do you put a specific value on that? Secondly, is it even fair to do so
on an international level? How does America contribute more funds than,
say, Madagascar? Well, more people, more wealth, more industrialization.
But does that mean Madagascar is inferior to you? Well, to start, they
don't pollute as much...
Sure I would rather live in the states than NK, but, given a choice of *all*
countries, I'll take Canada over both those countries.
So stop pointing at *one* or a few "bad apples" and start realizing that if
all coutries have a voice, then it's democracy, and hte few bad apples
won't, or can't, get their way.
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