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Subject:	Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:51:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes: > > Larry Pieniazek wrote: > > <big snip>... > > > > > I'll stand by my assertion. The US is superior to the DPRK(2) by this > > > prosperity based metric. The DPRK system isn't working now and has no > > > prospects of working better in future. It's also superior to the DPRK by a > > > human rights metric. Therefore, to say that the US and the DPRK ought to be > > > equal (for example both having one vote on the UN HRC, or both having one > > > vote on how UN funds ought to be spent) strikes me as false. I found an op > > > ed yesterday (but can't find it now) arguing this very point...that based on > > > what is being decided, different countries ought to get different sized > > > votes... the one I like was a vote based on proportional contribution to the > > > UN budget. > > > > Uh, Lar, that may not be such a good idea - the US has a long history > > of failing to pay US dues. If the vote was based on current, true, > > paid-up dues, there would > > be many times when the US would have ZERO votes due to being in arrears. > > > > The idea makes sense to me, but with our past history, it wouldn't > > bode well for the US. > > That's part of the original argument. If we don't get a vote unless we're > paid up, we (and other nations as well) will be falling all over ourselves > to pay up. ESPECIALLY if we get a 25% or so vote because of it. > > I think there are a lot of possible schemes that could be considered that > are superior to "one country, one vote"... this is one of them. There are > others. Is this 'payment' to a "revamped" UN dependant on number of citizens in the country? GNP? Or just a flat rate? What payment scale would you set up to a 'better' United Nations so that all countries would be represented fairly?

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) Everyone pays whatever they want and then votes in direct proportion to how much they paid in order to decide what to do. So to implement the onion-vision all the US has to do is pay 51% (and that will work as long as the whole rest of the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) That's part of the original argument. If we don't get a vote unless we're paid up, we (and other nations as well) will be falling all over ourselves to pay up. ESPECIALLY if we get a 25% or so vote because of it. I think there are a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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