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Okay, Dave! your wish, my command: (URL) some reason, I wasn't able to reply to the original post. My reply below (...) I don't think Jesus knew anything of the sort, and as evidence I would point to his recorded behavior prior to his arrest. Though (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's how I see it. First, I'm not so sure about the eternal damnation thing. Second, I happen to believe that hell is separation from God. People *choose* to reject God, and that is hell. They choose darkness, because of selfishness, pride (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Though my zeal can get the better of me at times, I do appreciate the exchange of ideas in this forum. I only regret the severe limitations of such a venue-- the ease of misunderstanding in a mostly clumsy form of communication. But it beats a (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I am contending is that we don't know much about what God does, so we can't begin to question why He does what He does. What I *know* God has done: 1) Created the universe (but not Adam and Eve specifically BTW) 2) Made a covenant with (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, I won't take offense. I try not to let anything said in o-t-debate get to me-- it takes all the fun out of it :) (...) No, I don't believe in him, but for the sake of the argument at hand, I'm taking it as a given. Well, ok, that's not (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think it makes sense to speak of things being objectively significant or insignificant. I consider myself of extreme significance to me, though. (...) Sure, there could be, but if my finite mind can't begin to grasp it, then how can (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the correction! I seem to have gotten 'todd' a lot of my life. Also thanks for your involvement in this thread. God Bless, (Before I cause a fight this is meant for JOHN) Nathan (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, wish I could end a debate on that note! (This is a joke, please do not take offensce). (...) I assume from this you do not believe in God (particularly the God of christians). Please do not take it amiss if I refer to his existence in the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Thanks for making me smile at the end of a very stressful day :) Dave K. (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Although I agree with you whole-heartedly Dave K., I would argue that your post is debatably undebatable, and as such it does not belong on this message board. ...It is also very on-topic. Please submit this sort of thing to .on-topic.agreeable. (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The overall quality of character on LUGNET has always impressed me. Even while John Neal and I have been spitting fire at each other here in .debate, we've still exchanged good-natured japes in ot.pun. I recall a year or two ago Frank Filz and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I read a few message boards daily, and one that I often frequent has a policy in place-- No religious/political debate. They implemented that policy 'cause, invariably, the discussion would get, usually quite quickly, bogged down into a 'flame war'. (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't resist a little self-promotion, since The Rev's views are so nicely compatible with mine (irrefutable proof of his brilliance, if you ask me). I voiced a similar question here a while back, but the thread was huge and I never got a (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith writes: <snip lotsa good stuff!> (...) I agree with your stance on the 'thumbing of the nose' that the 'God bless you' and, as such, it really shouldn't be said in this thread, or directed at RBPS or (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Since I generally agree with DaveE's comments, I will try to not to repeat his arguments too much here, assuming you will reply to his post. (...) Yes, we are debating God's character as presented in the Bible, so in this context it only makes sense (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The way I see it, there's two schools of thought on the subject. Either God KNOWS what's going to happen or he doesn't. If he DOES know, then it's not really "free will". And as such, God CREATED me such that I'll never accept him. Punishing (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That assertion hits upon a real dilemma for me. I should come clean and admit that I don't accept the argument that proof of God's existence would eliminate our free will to obey/disobey him; Adam and Eve certainly knew (in the context of the (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: As for Todd's characterization of God; Sorry, I meant "Nathan":-/ -John (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice can of worms. Actually, if you *really* want to get into it... God is omniscient (by definition). So God *knows* whether we will choose to acknowledge Him or not, and thus it is predetermined (Predestination). It seems to me to be of (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seriously. Consider for a moment that you may be referring to the entity that created you, and quadrillions of other living things that are/were but a speck on this insignificant planet in the course of time and history of the universe. Has (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So, ok. I have absolutely no issues other than personal preference when it comes to the answers that Nathan's given-- They all make perfect sense. However, they ONLY make sense accepting what we (or at least I) would consider to be *IMPERFECTIONS* (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We haven't met yet... (...) Apology accepted. (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First off, since the primary issue here seems to be God's love. I will write with assurance he exists. (It is just a waste to debate the character of someone while debating their existence in the same post). So I am skipping over a long argument (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to clarify, read any post by me in .castle and see if you can find one without God Bless on the end (OK there may be a few). I tagged the other bit on to show where I would be coming from in this debate... Not to be snide. Of all the (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty much. I was away for the holiday and only logged in briefly on Saturday. So I new my site had been picked, but I wasn't really in the forums at all. I wanted to get something new up during my reign, but I didn't get a chance to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I completely concur--if someone made a law in which folks would have to pledge 'there is no God', I would protest. If you have a constitutional ammendment saying no religion in official state stuff, then remove 'God-talk'. These zealotous (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, "force" might have been too strong a word for me to choose, and the "black magic" angle was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but you ask a good question. When someone says it to me I repond on two levels. The primary meaning is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how many people realize they are invoking God's blessing when they say "goodbye" which originally was "God be with ye." I know a lot of folks now just say "Bless you." Frank (stirring the pot...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: Either way it's not cool to force a blessing (...) Even in the middle of composing another post, I was struck by your words, because they echo a similar ascertain you made which I didn't understand in (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Although The Rev has already addressed a lot of this very capably (and with remarkably polite restraint!), I wanted to add a few thoughts here, since the debate has taken a bit of a turn... That's an interesting point, but if we remove the (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I have no problem with the 'refusal' of a blessing, and i do concur with your take on the, "Oh, you're an Athiest so I'm just going to throw that 'God Bless' at *you* to tweak your nose, 'cause I'm right and you're wrong not to believe". (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Besides, there's plenty of places you could mail off to and get all the official documentation you need in the US to be a reverend and conduct weddings... (This is one of the things which really highlights that the religious definition of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This was not intended as a harsh comment. It's just that when someone says "God bless" to me, and then specifies that the God who they are asking to bless me is the God of Christianity, it has as much meaning to me as my imploring Maury the (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From post (URL) the first tweaking began... " (...) May Maury the Talking Kangaroo watch over you in the night! -Rev. Smith " In this discussion you have used the spaceship/kangaroo scenario as an *example* as to how ludicrous you believe (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Explain? -Rev. Smith (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is part of my point-- it has been there all along. (I am still composing, Brendan) -John (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith writes: <snip> You had me right up until the facetiousness. (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lob is only revealing his divine mysteries to me a little at a time, but I will pass on more Rooist theology as the occasion warrants. (...) Careful, Tom, you're bordering on blasphemy here. Rooism is a wholly unique religion with a unique (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Were you away during your whole reign as Cool Site of the Week? Congratulations, by the way. @8^) -Rev. Smith (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Rev, I think you need to get working on fleshing out the Good Book of Maury. Sounds like a hoot. Then again, all you'd have to do is change a few words/names/phrases across the Bible, and it would probably work well enough. But if you take some real (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, jump in! There's a reason we're debating in a public forum and not just over e-mail. (...) OK, so would you say his first covenant, that of the Old Testament, could be accurately summed up by "Israelites, do what I say, or I will kill (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I can answer much of this, including your examples, (though you may call it my opinion), but I wanted to ask before I interrupt someone else's debate. It may be of interest that like many christians I stand by the *whole* old testemant and of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey all. Huge long thread here that sprang up while I was away. I'm tempted to respond to about every other post, but fear it's a fruitless quagmire. Rather than hit any of the theological points of issue, I just wanted to address this one, (...) (22 years ago, 4-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's the cream of the jest. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now, now...lets not lock horns over the issue (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you have to ask... you can't afford it. :-) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bruce, thanks for saddling us with that foal image-- I don't like it one bit. Topping such behavior is my mane concern, not to stirrup more trouble-- I wouldn't want you to barn in hell. -John (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) I understand the pony but what's the Cool Whip for? Dave K -who wants to be 'in the know' as well (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whew! It doesn't say anything about a Shetland Pony and three tons of Cool Whip. I thought I was in trouble there for a moment. -->Bruce<-- ;-) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good choice, God. <snip> (...) That is a very bizarre way for an all-powerful being to go about getting across a message when it would be far simpler, and presumably far more effective for him to just give it to people directly without some (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If one enjoys it? ;) I liked this [from OutSmart] (URL) I think the most absurd holding in the opinion is the majority’s conclusion that the Anti-Sodomy Statute does not distinguish persons by their sexual orientation. Indeed, the majority (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's yet another piece of progressive action from our Texas-based administration: (URL) the important bit, in case the article's been moved to a members-only pay archive: Critics Say Government Deleted Web Site Material to Push Abstinence (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And didn't I hear an interesting tid-bit on the radio this weekend, that judges in Taiwan (or somewhere) have ruled that oral sex is *not* considered sex at all--I believe this was in regard to 'committing adultery'. As it stands, if your (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read this as well, and I couldn't agree with Larry more--the gov't should stay out of the bedrooms(1) of consenting adults. Dave K (1) euphemism for 'lives' in this particular case (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's just plain medieval. I particularly like the fact that progressive Texas forbids "deviate sexual intercourse with another individual of the same sex." What, according to Texas law, would constitute non-deviant sexual intercourse with (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) hope the Supremes reverse their 1986 thinking... government has no business legislating behaviour between/among consenting adults. (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I almost shudder to mention this, since the underlying debate is serious and highly charged, but a CNN article about race and affirmative action included a really inopportune misprint, in grand Amos-n-Andy style: "At issue is whether race be used as (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Even the 'uncivilized world' has went metric ;) The USA remains the only developed nation not to use the metric system. The costs of this are quite high as it means that any exported products have to be dual labelled. However, one should not (...) (22 years ago, 3-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree-- it *can* give your life meaning to hope. But how about hoping in Santa Claus? Should we? Better yet, let's hope for some *NON* christian afterlife! If the ends justify the means (fulfillment of life justified by being Christian), (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which brings up the very discussion my friends and I have had for years at around wvery election-time--who do you vote for? Do you vote for the guy who is going to be good for your society, but not probaby good for you 'cause he'll tax you (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Too many failed Mars probes: it was the Mars Climate Orbiter that had the failed metric/english measurements. (URL) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sez Karl Rove: "As people do better [financially], they start voting like Republicans... ...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." (...) Dave! (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are describing the same problem, not a different one. (...) As I recall, they simply lost contact. Looking around so we don't have to depend on faulty memory....aha: (URL) ya go! -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought the Mars Observer had a different problem, as in the parts were built by different companies that didn't communicate clearly, and that the 'finished' product wasn't tested as a unit--the problem happened something like this-- the (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) John said many things in this very post that basically fit my idea as to what being a Christian is all about, and how I try to approach my Christian life. Nicely done, John! Dave K. As an (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Someone please correct me if I have this wrong, but I vaguely remember something about Thomas Jefferson being largely responsible for rejecting the metric system in this country - he had his own pet way of determing what should be a meter that (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) God has chosen to have His message spread by a bunch of incompetant, sinful, *human* followers. I'll certainly give you that. Christians do not see eye to eye on much, especially on topics such as evangelism. It really can be (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which the metric system, and the flaws therein, is quickly discussed via a book review. Going beyond the mistooks that the system is based on, it still is the way to go! Hurry up you Americans and catch up with the 'civilized world'! ;) Dave (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I had the spelling wrong, and the attribution. The name I was aiming for is Apollonius of Tyana. And here are a few others: Pythagoras (who could bilocate, by the way) Simon Ben Kochba Empedocles Shabbetai Tzevi Orpheus Simon Magus Sun (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. (...) No, I'm not doing the Bible justice. We're agreed on that. The only way to truly do the Bible justice is to read the whole thing cover to cover. But anytime someone presets only *some* Bible stories, they have their own reasons (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Socrates was, for example, a Son of God, though I understand that that's not quite what you meant. (Socrates was more moral than Jesus, however). Off the top of my head the other big one I can think of is Appollonius of Tyre, whose name I may (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure it was the divine manifestation to which the 'uniqueness' was referring, but (as I took it) Christianity itself. IE that it is Christianity that is unique, with a unique message. Not the Jesus-being-the-son-of-God bit. I could be (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would like to see your cites. Christianity offers a few unique twists. One which I believe is unique is the "fully human, fully divine" status of Jesus, and his fulfillment of OT biblical prophesy. I also am not aware of any God-incarnate (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are any number of self-contradictory assertions inherent in the Christian faith with which one could take issue, but this is the big one that needs to be exorcised whenever it's uttered. The whole God-incarnate-here-to-redeem-us theme is (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know the feeling about which you speak-- I was just trying to upwrap it and try and see *why* that is actually a comfort. For me, it boils down to a reassurance that we are not crazy, that we are not completely wacked on an issue, which (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's the trick. I don't believe that the concept of objective morality makes any sense (that things or actions can be objectively good, bad, right, or wrong). Hence the difficulty in proving that something like slavery is objectively evil. I (...) (22 years ago, 1-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith writes: <snip one of the better posts around here lately> Hey Rev, I think you're on to something with your reasoning that if it's ok to have missionaries in the pro christian direction it's just as (...) (22 years ago, 1-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't feel it is is necessary to change everyone to my point of view, and in fact, it wouldn't particularly bother me if no one's religious views were ever changed by The Brick Testament. It would at best be a small comfort to know that (...) (22 years ago, 1-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't deny that they seem silly *to you* and, as I mentioned before, that is fine, but I'm still wondering what the movitation is that makes you feel it necessary to change everyone to your POV-- to perhaps feel better about your own (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does everyone in Isreal support the occupation of the West Bank? Does the majority even do so? (...) When Shamir ended his term as PM this is what he had to say: "It pains me greatly that in the coming four years I will not be able to expand (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that Sinai is a large lump of land. However, it was [reluctantly] handed back to *Egypt* - not the *Palestinians*. (...) Barak's offer was empty (it had to be ratified in a referendum). He knew Arafat could not accept it. Even so, what (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, Take a look at the current fuss. Look at what started it. You should hang your head in shame rather that cause more fuss. It may be a cultural thing, but personally I think sniggering and name-calling is far more “anti-social” than my alleged (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good analysis, Bruce, but it's not enough that just you ignore him, or that just I ignore him. For off-topic.debate to truly be enjoyable, it's necessary that EVERYONE ignore him, and manage to do so consistently. This is necessary because if (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I work in a Nordic company, and my experience is that people from Norway have an advatage when speaking in Scandinavian forums: They can understand both Swedish and Danish. Danes, on the other hand, can usually not understand the other (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You're right: danish must be the most mumbled language in the world.... Duq "Tobbe Arnesson" <StPnAtM@lotek.nu> wrote in message news:H6Bsos.JpL@lugnet.com... (...) hear it (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A lot of what I wrote in my last post was aimed at getting you to look at this situation from my prespective. In essence, the question was, what would you do if it was *you* who were convinced that the religion of everyone around you was (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, Brendan isn't criticizing beliefs. He's criticizing the Bible, a book which has some rather bizzare things in it, and a lot of inconsistencies. (...) So it's wrong to point out inconsistencies in books? The same book that some people in (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, therein lies part of your problem-- you cannot ever really assert this. (...) Perhaps, but in the guise of holding them yourself? You mention Ministers contacting you about wanting to use the BT for Sunday school, etc. Do you really (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Back already? (...) Don't be obtuse-- explain it in light of your above accusation. (...) Who indeed. It merely exemplifies the need for Israel to be negogiating with those who actually desire peace instead of seeking more step in the (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Everyone* in the PA??? (...) I don't deny that there are extremist Israelis who hold this view, but the overwhelming majority *DO NOT*, and thus your statement is patently false and egregiously provocative. Anyone who really believes in (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have already! (...) Who wrecked Oslo / Oslo II? Why? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I suggest you take your tape measure and head over to the Sinai Pennisula and start taking measurements... (...) Then explain the Camp David Agreement. Israel *can* be reasonable, *does* want peace, and have *proven* this. The PA is (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Defend your allogation. About what "power" specifically are you speaking, or was it merely a Liberal throw-away? -John (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for your rather disruptive input, but I've no intention of joining in your mudslinging. [BTW: I'm not anti-American, I'm pro-justice - understand the difference]. (...) How ironic; I note you have chosen to sling mud rather than address (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, I ignore Scott, but judging by the flurry of responses, he won't do me the same favor. He wants and craves attention. Ignoring him is still the best option. He'll even pick up on long-distance, unstated twitting of his hypocritical (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem I have with this line of thinking is that everyone (here in the US anyway) seems way too sensitive to these sorts of things. I actually disagree with your thinking that there is nothing wrong with our overly PC approach to things. (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We all need to respond to the issues raised, rather that insult each other. How come it's so busy here, I thought it was Thanksgiving yesterday? Scott A (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And it was so nice in here lately--things were debated, discussions happened, and there was almost a zen-like, albeit debatable discussions, in the land. Oh well, c'est la vie! Dave K. (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't agree with your view. The Israelis gave up a very small part of the land they stole a few decades ago - its legal owners want all of it back. In order to keep it, the Israelis [in the form of the rather heroic IDF] oppress all manner (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Give it rest. It's rather ironic that you don't see the irony in what you are saying. This sort stuff should be taken to e-mail. (...) Synopsis: You've admitted I was correct, and you were wrong. Furthermore; you're not happy about it. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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