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Re: The Brick Testament parts the Red Sea
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:31:38 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > I would like to see your cites. Christianity offers a few unique twists. One
> > which I believe is unique is the "fully human, fully divine" status of Jesus,
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> Socrates was, for example, a Son of God, though I understand that that's not
> quite what you meant. (Socrates was more moral than Jesus, however).
> Off the top of my head the other big one I can think of is Appollonius of
> Tyre, whose name I may have misspelled, but who lived around 90 AD and was
> believed by his disciples to be god-made-flesh in fulfillment of prophesy.
> I'll have to look up a few others.
Well, I had the spelling wrong, and the attribution. The name I was
aiming for is Apollonius of Tyana. And here are a few others:
Pythagoras (who could bilocate, by the way)
Simon Ben Kochba
Empedocles
Shabbetai Tzevi
Orpheus
Simon Magus
Sun Myung Moon
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneorson
David Koresh
L. Ron Hubbard
Jim Jones
Abraham Miguel Cardozo
Brother Julius Schacknow
The God Machine of John Murray Spear
You might protest that these weren't "real" messiahs, but on what
evidence? I'm afraid I don't find the god-as-flesh qualification vital to
the equation, and, in my book, the god-incarnate angle nullifies the value
of the crucifixion, not to mention undercutting a number of miracles and
divine acts attributed to Jesus. My list therefore includes a number of
individuals believed to be or self-professed to be the Messiah, or perhaps
more accurately *a* messiah.
I would further suggest that filling out a checklist of messianic criteria
is inherently self-defeating, since it boils down to "could Superman beat up
Mighty Mouse" debate"
"My God-incarnate is more goddish than yours."
"No, MY God-incarnate is more goddish."
Dave!
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| (...) Socrates was, for example, a Son of God, though I understand that that's not quite what you meant. (Socrates was more moral than Jesus, however). Off the top of my head the other big one I can think of is Appollonius of Tyre, whose name I may (...) (22 years ago, 2-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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