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Re: The Brick Testament parts the Red Sea
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Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:55:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> By creating beings with "free will", God CANNOT know how they will react, or
> else it's not free will. If the beings he creates are predetermined to act
> in a certain way, and God attended every infintesimal detail of their
> creation, he either doesn't KNOW what will happen, or his creations don't
> actually have true free will.
Nice can of worms. Actually, if you *really* want to get into it...
God is omniscient (by definition). So God *knows* whether we will choose to
acknowledge Him or not, and thus it is predetermined (Predestination). It
seems to me to be of little solice that because *we* don't know, one can assert
that free will still exists. My head is starting to hurt;-)
I will say this: it is tenious at best when finite minds try and comprehend the
infinite.
> > Yes we deserve judgement God does not. He has only judged fairly.
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> Because we have the "God-given" right to free-will, I deem that God is
> DEFINITELY deserving of our judgement. That's what we're here to do! Judge
> God! Decide whether we want to worship him or not; decide whether to love
> him or not; to accept him or not. How else are we to do this save to judge
> God himself?
It is clear from biblical teaching that God is perfect and is *worthy* of
praise and worship as well as acting as Judge, so you can perish the "judge
God" tack. As for Todd's characterization of God; it is easy to slip into
anthropomorphic mode when describing Him (see?...masculine pronoun;-)
And using my own judgement, I judge the God
> described in the above examples unworthy of my worship. A God who would be
> worthy of my worship would act in a consistant manner; and would be
> incapable of mistake. Certainly, any God who is "convinced" by anyone or
> anything else to *change* his mind is no worthy God in my mind. You may
> choose differently.
You are correct. The Bible is also clear that God is the same yesterday,
today, and tomorrow. Our perceptions of Him change or are faulty, but that
is all.
-John
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| (...) The way I see it, there's two schools of thought on the subject. Either God KNOWS what's going to happen or he doesn't. If he DOES know, then it's not really "free will". And as such, God CREATED me such that I'll never accept him. Punishing (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| So, ok. I have absolutely no issues other than personal preference when it comes to the answers that Nathan's given-- They all make perfect sense. However, they ONLY make sense accepting what we (or at least I) would consider to be *IMPERFECTIONS* (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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