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  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) It's not. But we're performing a useful service to the country nonetheless. A filibuster proof Senate with the likes of Bob Barr running some things is a scary thought to behold. (...) c /libertarian Republicans/Libertarians/ and you're on to (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) If that's all your party ever wants to aspire to be (a spoiler), then knock yourselves out. But think about this: think about a senate with *no* clear majority and libertarian Republicans controlling the swing votes. That's power. What you (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) See also this analysis... (URL) an admittedly partisan source) My favorite excerpt: "It marks the third consecutive election in which a Libertarian has cost the Republican Party a Senate seat," wrote Miller. "If there had been no Libertarian (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore...
 
(URL) still embarassed that JC is the PM, but that's neither here nor there... Someone, somewhere, in a position of Canadian Authority, told it like it is. Though I would never call any person a moron, I would call a persons policies and directives (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  saw this link on MegaTokyo.com and thought of here.
 
(URL) you enjoy it. I thought it was pretty funny. Unfortunately. (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Sniper Case
 
(...) prejudiced media, it seems that Cassel (the author) has similarly predetermined Malvo's "proper" fate. Who is she to say that he should get a sheltered life in prison rather than a death sentence? I'm not saying I'm for one result over (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  People in glass houses should be careful when pointing fingers...
 
For those that thought that the US was the only place with silly laws: (URL) accidentally swaying to music in a pub is a ticketable offense in Westminster and perhaps elsewhere in London as well. Having two musicians performing apparently is OK but (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I probably should have worded the above a little more carefully. I did not mean to imply that people in the US do not need to understand other peoples (though even there, I would argue that there is still less need for a cashier in the US to (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I agree 100%. However, Joe Public has to understand that by bombing/supporting dictator X, a whole region can be destabilised. (...) Hmm, and to think I only put "perceived" in to stop any knee jerks... ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) That's very true, but I think it's more important to be able to understand and empathize with the people of Djibouti, for instance, than it is to be able to find their nation on the map. That's certainly not to imply that Americans have any (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Sniper Case
 
(...) I’m pretty bemused by CNN’s reaction to the way things are unfolding. My understanding is that it is pretty much the media who are dictating how things evolve. Scott A (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I think if we all understood each other a little better, life for us all would be much better. I have seen a relatively small part of the world, but I have learned a lot from *every* country I have visited and *every* culture I have (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) "The skinny" indeed: (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) Hmm. I thought your were just parodying Bush... ;0 Scott A (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
I'm saddened that it took you a week to respond to my post, and when your response did arrive it took the form of a personal insult. A few days ago you said this: ==+== Slinging names is not the way to keep this debate where it needs to be. Because (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Sniper Case
 
(...) right away, than that we use the rule of law. The public demands it. Why, even John Ashcroft demands it. And we know he's as just, and as smart, and as capable as they come. He's such a keen legal mind, he understood immediately why the (...) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  The Sniper Case
 
Here's an article which does a good job of raising some of the issues I'm concerned with: (URL) (22 years ago, 22-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I suppose that depends on the person, too... My stepfather is miserable in his decision to become an actuary (he hates math and the like), but it's surely more lucrative than other professions he could've followed with a degree in history. In (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) A good friend of mine who went to some effort to acheive his PH.D. went immediately through a long-ish period of unemployment because he was "over-qualified" for most jobs he went hunting. He printed up some self-mocking business cards "Thomas (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) Here's a word of advice for anyone seeking a liberal arts education: DON'T And if someone tries to B-S you with some spiel about "it's best to have a broad base of education" I urge you to laugh in that person's face and tell him I told you (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I guess it also depends on what you're learning-- I get the sense (From other people I know in the field) that things like Biochemistry and Medicine are a little more fact-oriented than method-oriented. Unlike (in my case) computer (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) Maybe you just have overly expensive taste in groceries... Next time you come across such a cashier and your order is $7.78, give him $10.28 and watch his mind melt. (...) That is a fantastic observation! By the end of my fourth semester (my (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) One thing which makes me tend not to trust these education surveys is that in the US, almost every child goes through high school, and a huge percentage go to college. In other countries, starting somewhere around the high school age (or even (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
(...) Heh. You're omitting the important part! 8^) You've previously described "smaller tyrannies" as preferable to One Mega Tyranny, and as more beneficial to the flexibility of the marketplace. I have come to agree, and I think it holds for (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
I can't think of many overpaid Government employees, but looking at a picture of the castle that the CEO of Enron is/was having built made me sick. Everywhere in commercial companies there's a handful of fat cats (literally, usually) who just hand (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) Haha! That's classic! It would be nice comic relief if those guys showed up in the new Starship RPG... :) -H. (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) Yeah, we just need to give geography some sex appeal-- then we'll learn it! :) (...) I once knew all the state capitals. Now I remember probably about half of them. I have to admit, though, sometimes I'm suprised to see how many American (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
(...) I think I know who you mean and he certainly wasn't hired by ME, not even a little bit. Nor was his dad, for that matter. (...) Ashcroft? Not sure who you mean, as there are so MANY candidates, unfortunately, that fit the description. (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
Maybe if americans would concentrate more on geography and less on Britney Spears they'd get their 'precision bombing' right the next time... These surveys are not designed to make american kids look stupid. They're just made to test general (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
(...) I can think of one gov't employee I'd really like to see fired, but he was more-or-less hired by his dad. I've worked a number of jobs alongside sons or daughters of the employer, and time and again I've observed their tendency to, let us say, (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
(...) fired (compared to how for profit businesses where employee performance presumably matters) is not the same thing as suggesting that there ought to be a quota(1) on how many people get fired a year in government. The point is that US (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) These appalling results were similar in the previous generation. I worked in the mapping business from 1990-1994 and there was no shortage of these articles wringing hands over the un-oriented college students of the 80s. University of (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I think these surveys are specifically geared to make American kids look dumb. They should change the survey. How about "Can you find the nearest Target(R) store on this map?" or "Which beer commercial is better?". Let's see other countries (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Q. Where is the USA? A. You are standing on it!
 
(...) I thought this was pertinent: (URL) 11 percent of young citizens of the U.S. couldn't even locate the U.S. on a map. The Pacific Ocean's location was a mystery to 29 percent; Japan, to 58 percent; France, to 65 percent; and the United Kingdom, (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  The guy who would have made a better president...
 
in my humble opinion... (URL) saw him on Letterman last week and was going to mention it here, but just never got around to it. Now there's an article about him on Larry King. He basically said all the same stuff on Letterman. I liked the bit where (...) (22 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Gretzky was and always will be the best
 
This is in the wrong group. FUT OTD (...) (22 years ago, 20-Nov-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Yet again unto the breach!
 
(URL) own state, thankyouverymuch! I'm not surprised that Rick Santorum, evangelizing Christian creationist and legislative apologist, would back this bill, but it's truly disheartening that the entire state legislature sees fit to establish a (...) (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Greatest Generation? (and how they changed the Constitution)
 
(...) Furthermore, Jefferson laid the path to "Big Government" with its foreign entaglements when he effectively launched the american navy. Having a huge mercantile fleet and no way to protect it simply lead to piracy - and the worst kind of piracy (...) (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How not to get fired...
 
(...) Are you saying people should get fired just to meet some sort of Quota? What I want to know is who elected the politicians who oversee this mess?! ;) (...) particularly what money is available for staff training/development, salaries and (...) (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Greatest Generation? (and how they changed the Constitution)
 
(...) if only he knew... scott a (...) (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Greatest Generation? (and how they changed the Constitution)
 
(...) Jefferson, such as: (...) In this passage Jefferson states explicitly (and correctly) that no one is able to predict the needs of the future with any relevance, and that includes Madison as well as Jefferson himself. Dave! (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Greatest Generation? (and how they changed the Constitution)
 
(...) Here's part of how the change was made: (URL) (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  The Greatest Generation? (and how they changed the Constitution)
 
Well now here is a very nice article all the Libertarians in the audience should enjoy. (URL) of posting the link refers to the November 13th, 2002 article. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 15-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  How not to get fired...
 
Work for the US Federal Government, that's how! "Federal personnel data shows that just 434 civilian federal workers were fired for poor performance in 2001." (well under 1 in a thousand... not surprising since 98%+ get "fully satisfactory" (...) (22 years ago, 14-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Embarassed to be a Canadian--the Plot Sickens
 
The original post: (URL) Notes--hockey player dad sues league for not awarding his son MVP. The story continues, getting better: (URL) the league has suspended hockey player and dad from hockey events. Hmmm... What will happen now? I await with (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Here's somthing you don't see everyday...
 
American Incompotent Justice System (URL) K. (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Have you been watching war movies again? ;) This is what Ambrose had to say about the D-Day campaign [a/the key WW2 campaign]: ==+== That a cross-Channel attack against the Atlantic Wall could even be contemplated was a tribute to what Dwight (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  UK perspective on US elections
 
UK Perspective on US elections Both from yesterday's Guardian: The rescue parties (URL) with a choice between two ugly parties, the electorate, quite rationally, stayed at home. In the US, as in Britain, young voters have all but abandoned party (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Israelis fear war crimes arrests in the UK!
 
I really do love living in the UK Israelis fear war crimes arrests (URL) Israeli government has ordered an urgent assessment of whether its politicians and soldiers could face arrest and trial for war crimes while travelling abroad. The move (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Yes. (...) I expect the cost would have been high, but worth paying. (...) Others have already. But if it matters to you, feel free to disprove it. (...) I think it is every bit as relevant as WW1. The USA continues to make bad decisions – (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) I'm not "anti-American", I'm pro-justice. Understand the difference. Scott A (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) Not at all. Blacks *did* have serious civil rights issues. Most of the country has been able to get beyond simple racism. Today many blacks face many social and economic problems (as does everyone else!)-- but to continually blame racism is (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) Why not? Why are millions well (...) You choose to dodge my question, so I'll ignore yours for the moment. Are you claiming that blacks haven't been put into a difficult position in the first place due to factors mentioned above? You may ask (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) *Are* all blacks in the "less money" hole? Why not? Why are millions well off, dispite all of the things you mentioned? I am not trying to sweep all of those things under the rug; I am calling for people who use such arguments as excuses to (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) How did blacks get into the "less money" hole? Are you honestly trying to sweep slavery, racism, Jim Crow laws, blocking of access to education, discrimination in the workplace under the rug? If you pretend that this didn't happen, then you (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) nothing (...) "neither", (...) here. Thanks for not going there again. (...) Where did I mention muslims? ROSCO (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Islam is not "Believe or die", nor it ever was. Neither was Christianity. Yet, both religions were used as pretexts by loonies - that is inevitable! (...) I have a hard time believing Allah wrote the Khoran. Somehow I tend to follow a more (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) I'd argue the "true but irrelavant" charge. Ignore Europe, stomp Japan with all our resources (is anyone contesting we couldn't do it?) then deal with Germany. Japan only took so long because they were on the constant back-burner. It's a silly (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) I know that. I was referring to the use of the two bombs as part of a larger conflict - they were not a terrorist act themselves, IMHO. (...) It is not terrorism, but it is close. The name for it is "total war", a concept that was born in the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) What about US corporations preventing their laborors in the third world from unionizing? I'm sure they have had a hand in local politics as well. Didn't anyone see Zoolander (half joking). (...) Pittsburgh has largely cleaned itself up. Most (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) Okay, but so what? Statistically, one group will *have* to make more than the other group-- what is the point? The point is that there are haves and havenots-- why introduce race into the equation? How does that ultimately matter? And what (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  RE: Vote for/against
 
(...) Are you out of your mind again? Christianity and Christians are TO THIS DAY actively engaged in the banning and suppression of materials they find offensive or contradictory to the orthodoxy. Witness the disgusting efforts of Michael Behe & (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Not to get off-topic (well, this is the off-topic forum), but I am curious, what would the people making 10 cents a day make as income if U.S.ians didn't buy Nike shoes? Would they make nothing a day? Are there jobs in their countries that pay (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) This statement should no have to be proved to such a keen observer of the world but since you asked. 1) I was reading about the island of Borneo the other day and the exploitation of the their rainforests to provide cheap lumber to Japan (a (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Hi Dave, I agree with you that these affect the global environment, but you do they show exploitation of the developing world? -chris (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Not the believe like us or die variety. That may be been en vogue 100s of years ago for Christianity, but Christianity grew out of those dark times, and continues to change with time (although the basic message is the same). Islam has no (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Well considering the decision to drill in Alaska hasn't been made yet, and has failed every time so far that Congress has tried to pass it, I think you're jumping the gun on this one. I'd say that the U.S. is at worst split down the middle (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) Not going to speak for Scott, but I took his meaning as: If we do a poll, we will find out that the *majority* of black people make a lot less money and live in disadvantagious areas of the US than the *majority* of white people. Since you, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Not hard at all--science. More specifics--space program, aeronautics, other stuff--yes the world benefitted from these things but specifically, the US--letting in German scientists and turning a blind eye to some atrocities during the war they (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) Are you serious?? I have been *trying* to point out to you that, not only is such a spurious allogation not true, but *IT IS RACIST*. I never once made such a claim. Are you still beating your wife? -John (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) No, but we got Dr. Who, Monty Python, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Young Ones. (...) The US benefitted in terms of the synthetic rubber industry, computer industry, aircraft manufacturing industry, and the certainly in terms of the advent of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Don't forget Lend Lease (did we ever get any of the lends back?) (...) True but irrelevant. What matters is who would have won if we hadn't entered, and if you conclude the Allies would have (not a foregone conclusion by any means), at what (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: "Slam! Down goes Fraser!" [?]
 
(...) Is much like if I say 'The Giants Win the Pennant!! The Giants win the pennant!!" but more apt--is the line the announcer said when the finishing blow in a famous boxing match was thrown--"Down goes Fraser!" = finishing blow = nail in coffin = (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  "Slam! Down goes Fraser!" [?]
 
(...) You'll have to explain this colloquialism to me. Scott A (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Bingo. (...) Ouch! Truth. (...) Slam! Down goes Fraser! (...) And finally the punch that Ali never threw--Wow, new appreciation for Scott. (...) Wow! Scott hit the nail directly on the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) I'm not ignoring anything. GDP is the standard way of measuring it - under Agenda 21, the Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of GDP was set. Even when measured per head of population, the USA is still hitting below its (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) And I think that war is hell, and that when you're in a *war*, that it truly is an 'us and them' scenario. There is no denying that the 'politic', the 'intelligencia' and the 'people' have to be 'on-side' in order to fight and maintain a war (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  The US gives too much/not enough aid
 
(...) Giving more in raw dollars and being lower as a percentage of GDP are not mutually exclusive if the GDPs are different, a fact being conveniently ignored by your detractors, John. This also omits private contributions, and the aid in kind for (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan during the second world war. US low level incendiary bomb raids started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the civillian population, which largely lived in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Healthcare [was Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) I expect you are correct. I searched for the WHO rankings, but I had no luck. Although I did find this: (URL) makes no mention of Cuba, but it does tell us the WHO places the US system at number 38 [very average]. The rankings appear to be (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August '45. Terrorism is ETA in Spain, IRA in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) More data: Country Foreign Aid % GDP Japan 0.28 France 0.55 Germany 0.31 USA 0.10 Netherlands 0.81 UK 0.28 Canada 0.38 These figures hide the fact that Isreal gets most of the aid from the USA. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) There is that... if America didn't revolt--taxation w/o representation and all that--how would the world be today? Though to be said--the xenophobic america who wouldn't enter a war until their collective face is slapped, also has to be looked (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) I tell you, the word "terrorism" gets so over/misused. The purpose of terrorism is to evoke fear in a GP for the purpose of swaying opinion. We dropped the bombs on Japan to bring about a quick end to the war (that *they* started BTW), not to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) Ya, because we did the heavy lifting for you and GB realised that they could let you have your way peacefully, or keep a cork on things a bit longer and see you either revolt, or be annexed by us... Grin, duck, run (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) Evidentily, no one was paying attention on how to successfully pull off a revolution. Wimps! :-) (...) Oh, alright, I don't particularly want to see Canada broken up either (Canadians are too darn peaceful - ya shoulda shot DeGaul when you had (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) Yes, Pedro was right--Quebec did not want to 'bring the constitution home' for they could appeal to a highter authority than the Canadian Supreme court if they were denied something from the Supreme Court. The separatists wanted a higher (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Herein lies the real problem. You hit it right on the head with that question, Rosco. I am somewhat in favor of blasting violent people with violent retaliation, but I do fear that to some extent such activity can breed future violence. Many (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Well, since I've publically stated I think their reasoning in WWII was nothing short of terrorism anyway (lets not go there again), I'd have to say "neither", especially with dubya at the helm. Here's another question: Do you think that (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) David (no "!") understood what I was refering to - technically everything Canada did was supposed to be approved by the Queen until that last vestige of empire was officially expunged a couple of decades ago. I was embarrassed for my Canadian (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) In what way are they *SPECIFICALLY* linked. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) If it was Québec, I am not a bit surprised. The Crown had assumed compromises to protect the french heritage of the province. Obviously, they would rather keep the privilege. (...) Was that clause used often, btw? (...) The Crown declared war. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) Someone once said that America needed a revolution to become their own country--Canada just 'evolved' into our own, and not without a few snags ourself. PET (Pierre Trudeau) 'decides' to get our constitution over here from Britain--got 9 (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) Actually, they did not told the Queen to bugger off... because they did not have to; they got their own PM instead. Given that the Crown has little (if any) effective power, it is even better: getting independent whilst assuring a powerful (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Living in America--was Re: Comparative freedom
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) *If* I were to live in the USofA... (and that's a mighty big *if*)... I'd want to live in sunny SoCal... I love it when Craiggers does the "What's the weather like in Buffalo this (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) 'Merican. Pronounce the "r" so far in the back of your throat that you have to swallow it. :-) Okay, so, America is difficult to swallow. You knew that. ;-) (...) I'd chalk that up on the silly side, and we have elections every year in any (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Comparative freedom
 
(...) I think that Can'eh'dians have *more* freedom than Am'aaar'icans.. We have our elections when we want, not just specifically every 4 years--we choose, therefore more freedom. (well, the party in power chooses... but that's neither here nor (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Vote against/for...
 
(...) Nope, it is a fact. From oneworld.net: "America ranks last among all developed western nations in the amount of aid it provides foreign nations expressed as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP) about 0.08 percent, according to a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
 
(...) You don't think they are linked? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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