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Re: Vote against/for...
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Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:50:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Pedro Silva" <el_gordo@netc.pt> writes:
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> > Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending
> > the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies
> > a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August
> > '45.
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> The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan
> during the second world war.
I know that. I was referring to the use of the two bombs as part of a larger
conflict - they were not a terrorist act themselves, IMHO.
> US low level incendiary bomb raids
> started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the
> civillian population, which largely lived in houses composed out of
> wood and paper. Some estimates indicate that these fire bomb raids
> killed as many civillians as the two atomic bombs combined, but over a
> much longer time span. The bomb raids were designed to lower enemy
> morale and productivity.
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> Some quotes:
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> "Estimates of economic damage ecpected indicate that incendiary
> attack on Japanese cities may be at least five times as effective,
> ton for ton, as precision bombing [...] However, the dry economic
> statistics, impressive as they may be, still do not take account
> of the further and unpredictable effect on the Japanese war effort
> of a national catastrophe of such magnitude- entirely
> unprecedented in history." -- Office of Scientific Research and
> Development recommendation, Fall '44
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> "There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you
> are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force
> anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing innocent
> bystanders." -- General Lemay
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> "The entire population of Japan is a proper military target [...]
> There are no civilians in Japan." -- 5th Air Force Weekly
> Intelligence Review, July '45
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> (Quotes from Michael Sherry, "The rise of American Airpower", Yale
> University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1987.)
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> I think that this is closer to terrorism.
It is not terrorism, but it is close. The name for it is "total war", a
concept that was born in the thirties. Prior to that, most victims of a
conflict were soldiers on the front line or civilians struck by
famine/illness derived from it.
It was during the Spanish Civil War that the concept was tested, with
astonishing results - that is what Guernica (1) is all about.
Pedro
(1) - Guernica, or Guernika, is a city in the basque country which was
targeted by the first civilian-aimed air-raid, back in 1937. Picasso painted
a famous picture about it.
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