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Re: How not to get fired...
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Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:49:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > Work for the US Federal Government, that's how!
> > >
> > > "Federal personnel data shows that just 434 civilian federal workers were
> > > fired for poor performance in 2001." (well under 1 in a thousand... not
> > > surprising since 98%+ get "fully satisfactory" performance ratings)
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> > 2 - Since no good debater responded to this post, I shall henceforth assume
> > that we all agree this is true, US government workers don't have to perform.
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> I can think of one gov't employee I'd really like to see fired, but he was
> more-or-less hired by his dad.
I think I know who you mean and he certainly wasn't hired by ME, not even a
little bit. Nor was his dad, for that matter.
> I've worked a number of jobs alongside sons
> or daughters of the employer, and time and again I've observed their
> tendency to, let us say, relax a bit more than other employees were allowed
> to do. The message was clear; when freed of the fear of termination or
> serious reprisal, a key motivating factor is eliminated. Witness the
> carefree abandon with which a certain gov't employee continues to subvert
> the Constitution.
Ashcroft? Not sure who you mean, as there are so MANY candidates,
unfortunately, that fit the description.
> It seems to me that the real point of contention would arise only if one
> assumes that "don't have to perform" is equivalent to "inherently can't
> perform." It doesn't appear that you are assuming this, but I can picture
> someone drawing that conclusion, so it's important to make the distinction.
I don't think I'm assuming it. Certainly not intending to. I expect a lot of
slackers at mid levels actually COULD lead useful productive lives if they
had to. But I am ont following why this is a point of contention.
Note that I don't want to use TOO broad a brush here. For every 10 goverment
employees I have personally encountered who desperately need to be fired and
are clearly massively overpaid, I can think of 1 or 2 I've met who are
working really hard under terrible conditions and who are significantly
undercompensated. So it's not 100%
> So what's the answer? Some would say competitive privatization, but I
> frankly trust big corporations
What about little ones?
> even less than I trust big
> government--certainly when it comes to issues of the environment or price
> gouging or product safety or worker safety or executive accountability, to
> name just a few! Maybe a good first step would be simply to remove the
> elected-for-life status that so many gov't employees enjoy. We could start
> with Federal judges and go from there.
Or just start with all elected officials?
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| I can't think of many overpaid Government employees, but looking at a picture of the castle that the CEO of Enron is/was having built made me sick. Everywhere in commercial companies there's a handful of fat cats (literally, usually) who just hand (...) (24 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Heh. You're omitting the important part! 8^) You've previously described "smaller tyrannies" as preferable to One Mega Tyranny, and as more beneficial to the flexibility of the marketplace. I have come to agree, and I think it holds for (...) (24 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I can think of one gov't employee I'd really like to see fired, but he was more-or-less hired by his dad. I've worked a number of jobs alongside sons or daughters of the employer, and time and again I've observed their tendency to, let us say, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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