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(...) The *government* decides which contracts it will recognize. It has nothing to do with how you want to behave in private. (...) What about Nudists who want to walk around naked in public? Or Copulatists (I made it up-- people who want to be (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take it you have little respect for people who develop on MS platforms for a living...? I'm not sure I should be offended. It can also be argued that Perl on a Mac is equally evil: the OS doesn't even offer a shell, and its file system is (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Whew. Where to start? (...) It is legislating consensual behaviour. And that's wrong. No avoiding it. (...) True. So what? (...) First off, why does government have a monopoly on sanctioning marriages? Aren't they merely a contract between people? (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If a Democratic government decides (ie the will of the people, the *majority*) to sanction hetereo marriages and not homosexual ones, what's wrong with that? I think a case can be made that the traditional nuclear family is a good foundation (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (heh heh) I think I'm more grossed-out than amused. I'm already grossed out enough that there are a couple ports of perl to MS platforms. IMHO, Perl belongs in Unix (and offshots like OSX) and Microshaft OS's should die horrible deaths. The (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:34:52 GMT, James Brown uttered the following profundities... (...) We've had these in Europe for about 15 years now. Police love them, frees them up to catch proper criminals. Motorists hate them, obviously! The ones in the UK (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was this theory ever put to the test? Or was the verdict decided by a committee of experts? Over here, businesses finance employees' education frequently. Is it different in England? Those businesses must have a strange motive. Coal mining (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice theory and something that got debated a lot over here the last decade or so. The verdict seems to be that if the Government does nothing then businesses often don't either, even when it looks like it should be in their interests to do so. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's unfortunate that the labels have become so skewed. I am a liberal because I believe in liberty. I am not a conservative because I think the present system needs to be changed. Yet if I claim to be liberal it means I support income (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I will look at it soon, right now its off to a wedding! (NOT MINE, yet!) Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a simplified definition, I think you are talking about direct democracy, I was talking more of a constitutional democracy, where the people have certain rights (a.k.a. Bill of Rights) and protection from being murdered and so forth. A (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Why, should I? My initials are already LP... (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have to have adversity for the hero to overcome, but in the end you have a happy ending, or your picture won't do as well. (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Have you ever considered just going by "Larry the Libertarian"? :) (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It HAS the resources, if you're referring to the one I think you are. But it spends them on grand cathedrals and imposing monasteries rather than on helping the poor. (...) Right, far easier to be self righteously charitable with other (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It certainly sells better on the silver screen than optimism. :-P Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Extropians Rock! (...) is really just Max More's (he's the founder of the movement) summation of extropianism, but it's a great start. I was on the extropians mailing list shortly after it started in '91 or '92 (I don't recall) and stayed with it (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those aren't going to be the people who are most attracted to Libertopia. (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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An unlimited democracy with no bounds as to what the majority can decide is indeed flawed. Further, it's unworkable beyond a certain size, and leads to factionalism. A constitutionally limited representative or republican democracy is much better. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, but maybe there are other fields than IT. I just picked that because lots of us are familiar with it. If you can speak clearly, you can work as a bellboy. You can wait tables. You can assemble widgets in a plant and make more than (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way do you disagree with my take on democracy? It's the rule of the people - by vote - so as long as 51% of the people who vote think it's OK to kill me, then politically (if not morally) it is. Right? Wrong? Libertopia would be an (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I can tell you right now that I am splitting hairs with respect to this topic. I have very strong opinions about the topic and want to see the government work for every cent that they will get from me on this ticket. I am unsure of how (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, Like I said, the fetal tissue research I did not like. I think that is a BIG one. You might be surprised, Larry, but here is my views on what you said: 1) According to the Bible, Homosexuality is a sin and is detestable to God. (I can verse (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) It's a bigger gun, letting you shoot bigger things or alternatively make a larger whole where your foot used to be. I too like Perl, also C++. But my preference is for things like Delphi, Jade or Forte when I (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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I'll again add my "in Liberatopia, life won't suck because someone will step in and help the needy" comment to Larry's comments below: (...) I would assume that religions which feel that all potential humans should be given their chance will pool (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't doubt that. I'd say the same is true in the UK. What I disagree with is your implicit assumption that just because you managed to get qualified etc. and you saw a few other people doing it, that must mean EVERYONE can, even without (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Simon Robinson wrote in message ... (...) Its probably a better career than most, and its probably worth the investment. (...) temporary (...) reason (...) background (...) only (...) needed (...) me. (...) That is not true. This country (and yours, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm... A slowly fading rumble? -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks to recent lugnet.FAQ rumblings and a nice chain of serendipitious references, I have been reminded of Extropianism. Robert Munafo's pages have an interesting summation (URL) is quite Libertarian, and like Libertarianism, puts a great deal of (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think you might be splitting hairs here. You're the vehicle owner. Unless it was stolen, you're responsible for what was done with the vehicle. Tell your drivers not to speed or they will have to pay the tickets and increased insurance costs for (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll answer for him, leaving it open for him to answer for himself. The LP is religion neutral to the extent that it recognises that individual belief systems vary and should be respected. But it has some thoughts on behaviours that may be (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I suppose that you're going to say that National Socialism wasn't fascism because it said it wasn't? I'd say the lot of them are close enough, as their regimes had the requisite proportion of trampled rights and jackbooted thugs, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that the hard questions (and the fringe effects) are hard. Libertopia isn't perfect. But I'd submit that we're better off with some fringe unfortunate outcomes instead of every single person in the US getting 1/2 their income on (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <378DF799.9B923A@aeieng.com>... (...) As a conservative, I never got many kind words in any forum! but I am young. (...) there (...) well. (...) incomprehensible (...) 25) (...) Right, since you aren't going to (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hrmmm. "if the Government doesn't spend some money to make sure that people get the opportunity..." Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit. Think about what that means. It doesn't mean that you receive a gift or some other (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott- As a fellow Christian, I am curious as to which ideas of the LP you find unchristian. -John (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha ha! Good point. Actually these days I write about it rather than program it, which is a lot more fun :) (...) true - I've got a lot more than that - but see my point below. (...) The point about it was I felt that the way you simply implied (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Amen. You don't have to guess to hard, I am different. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Republican == Democrat Don't ever forget that. "A difference which makes no difference is no difference." Steve (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, (...) I would disagree with your definition of democracy in terms of minorities being pushed around, but I think that everyone should be treated the same in terms of law, etc. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment for anything. OK, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about children? Congenital birth defect? Irresponsible parents? (Aint it always the hard questions that are so hard?) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not speaking for Larry here, but some Libertarians agree that the government is big and needs to be scaled back, but don't believe that the original concept of our government is without flaw. I would be gladdened by what you suggest, but (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That depends on what you mean by 'just like that.' I figure that someone with determination can go from being an average highschool graduate to an employable IT professional of some type in a couple years. (...) If you call programming windows (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, Thanks for the kind words, John. I usually don't get many in this forum! Oh, believe me, I am sick of some Republicans as well simply because of there non-difference to liberals and Democrats (Decept-o-crats around here) as well. With Social (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<unsnipped because its a commendable effort> Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <378DE654.1582693A@a...ng.com>... (...) care, (...) Papers, (...) Yep. Its really out of hand. (...) this (...) scaled (...) Republicans (...) we (...) Similar, yep. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Simon & All; Based on the conversations I have read regarding these issues (health care, right of, etc.), and Larry's views (Libertarian), I think a lot of you are missing Larry's point as well as my own. If you compare what the founding Fathers (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have not read them in many moons, I will have to do so again soon. Thanks for the reference, Larry. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah. And you can just get IT skills just like that I suppose. Funny - it took me so many years to slowly learn all the Windows programming knowledge I've got that gives me a good career. I didn't realise I was wasting my time and I could get (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Make sure you have it first. Period. (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is that, exactly? Compare and contrast the unemployment rate in Germany to that in Ireland. Factor of 4 difference. Why? What's different, exactly? Discuss. (...) I'll bite. What? Why? (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. (...) And the fact that you don't have a gun in your house meant that every day when the troops came by to drag your grandfather off to work even though he didn't think it was safe, he went instead of resisting? (...) Larry "very tired (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point, Scott. In particular try article 8 in the Federalist Papers. Seems pretty clear to me what was intended by the Second Amendment. Then read article 10 to understand why even if the majority thinks that we, for example, should (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-P Thanks, Mike. I agree they screwed up, but I had the impression that, in the U.S. there was an upper limit on the number of books that can be thrown at any given person. Jus' wanted to clarify. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) pushes (...) Fair enough. In Alberta, you can only have 1 person on a vehicle registration. (AFAIK, anyway) (...) Ah. Another difference. Because our license plates are on the back of the car only, that's the part that gets photo'ed, and there (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Both good and valid points. My point is that it was *possibly* a family member who was driving the vehicle, and I am not required to testify against them. If they determine which family member *might* have been driving then I would gladly pay (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't know about other localities, but here (Phoenix AZ), if you get a photo-radar ticket, the drivers face *must* be clearly visible. If it is obscured, they will not process the ticket. So, when driving though photo-radar country, keep the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Without reading the link I would say they might be charged with murder of the passengers and manslaughter of the pilots, but I'm probably wrong. (...) Dunno, but who cares? They screwed up, and they ought to pay. (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of my friends has been looking for any job anywhere doing virtually anything and yet still is unemployed - the European economy is very different to the booming US Economy - and we all know what happens after a boom. (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Maybe it's different in the States, but here, if you are the registered owner of a vehicle, then you are responsible for that vehicle.(1) If someone else is driving it, they are driving it either: a) with your permission, either implicit (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Huh? I've been reading about 110 charges of 3rd degree murder and manslaughter brought against SabreTech by the state of Florida for the 1996 ValuJet crash: (URL) federal government is expected to follow suit. What I don't understand is how someone (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have been the recipient of one of these tickets, and I have yet to hear of any final outcome. I recieved a letter in the mail with a picture of one of my vehicles, showing the posted speed limit and the speed that the car was going. The (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was that way too. That's why god invented spellcheck. (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It's a good thing human minds are good at language -- can you imagine if parents actually had to teach their children to speak? That would be painful. Believe me, I know -- I tried for 4 years. *Then* my kid decided he was ready to talk. But (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) My biggest complaint about photo radar is, is that it's up to me to prove that I wasn't behind the wheel. Guilty before proven innocent and all that. For example: last week, I was mugged and car-jacked and left on the side of the road. After (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just a blatant troll for opinions...Around here there's a big squabble about photo radar, and just this morning, someone in the office was grumbling about getting a ticket, and everyone else was encouraging her to fight it. Now, I'm wondering what (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Luckily human beings are very good at that. In fact, the rules seem to be mostly descriptive -- we naturally say things a certain way, and then retroactively we look and say, "ok, that's the right way to say it because of such-and-such-rule". (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It also means there are 50 thousand rules to learn, and 50 million exceptions to those rules. At least we don't have to cojugate (sp?) anything... Steve (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Another great strength of English is that through years of borrowing ideas from other languages, you end up with many ways to express the same idea, allowing the flexibilty both to make things beautiful and to find just the precise way to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hey, I'm going to have to take issue with that. English can be a very beautiful language. It can also be an ugly language, but that doesn't mean that it can't be amazing poetry in the right hands. So actually it's a pretty good analogy. :) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I'd put correctness above maintainability, in the sense that, although maintainable code needs to be able to stay correct, code ought to be correct in the first place. And above correctness, the code ought to be solving the right problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Interesting survey. I can't vouch for the rigor of their methods, of course. (URL) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, we had the same reasons. You just described it much better. Steve (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, no. The finiteness of the situation says they can't. From what I've seen public universities are an abundant source of jobs with good benefits. And you seem not to need a clue to get a job there. (...) OK. There is no disease where I can (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And everybody can get a job anywhere they want. I see. (...) Lung cancer does not necessarily have anything to do with smoking. My grandfather died from it, and he never touched a cigarette in his life. However, his employer felt fit to (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You're missing the point of the Second Amendment, my friend. Please read some of the Founding Father's thoughts on it before you go off into big time debates. Scott Sanburn (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Never been chronically ill, have you? You don't _get_ health insurance once you are. Period. I'll stop now before my blood-pressure hits the ceiling. Jasper (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) /s/5 day/7 day/g, and the same. (...) I know. (...) Bzzt. Benito was the fascist. Mr moustache and Mr Red were not fascists. (...) You're _completely_ missing the point. You think I'm equating illegal with bad. I don't necessarily. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I had a nice discussion on this exact subject a while ago elsewhere. Maintainability is usually more important than efficiency or looking pretty. However, to be maintainable, code has to be written in ways that can be understood easily. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Wrong newsgroup. Move over to .fun, please., Jasper (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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<3785FAB8.391B@mindspring.com> <378640fa.5882690@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I mostly come to the same conclusion you do but for different reasons. While the owner has the right to (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it's an old law. And the guy didn't just utter the f-word a few times, he was all aggro-ed out, and shouting so people a fair distance away could hear him, and on and on. Personally, I don't care what language he was using. He (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:12:24 GMT, Mike Stanley uttered the following profundities... (...) Have a Gestetner photocopier hooked up to the network, so it will be pumped through there, to make an A5 sized booklet. (A5=210mm x 150mm) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:37:48 GMT, John Neal uttered the following profundities... (...) Wasn't apologising! Was unaware it was a set period. Strike 58. My understanding was to get rid of it, as it was nothing but trouble, terrorism from all sides, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I bet that guy wishes he'd gotten his 15 seconds of fame a different way. (...) 90 days and a canoe, yes. Can't say about the "children vs. women" bit. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3785FAB8.391B@mindspring.com> <3785FDDB.7779CCF2@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Maybe I didn't pay attention to details, but I could have sworn it was North Carolina, will have to (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you sure that wasn't a guy in Michigan? It made the national news. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<slrn7oanmg.7jg.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> <37856F42.4B2DD2B7@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Apparently so in North Carolina also, at least if children are around (the judge did say the part of (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote: Just teasing here, Mike, mind you, but... (...) the juxtaposition of these two parts of your post made me laugh a bit at the irony. But hey, I don't get out much. For the record I don't think crap is that bad a word any more. Too (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The only openly hostile comments I've seen so far were directed at you by Ed, and it seems he's claiming those were examples of flippancy, not hostility. Some topics are hot, some people get hot while debating them. I'd like to think I haven't (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess you mean a duplex. Sure, why not? Especially given the current state of the law that makes it so freakin difficult to get rid of losers once you find out they're scummy and you don't want them or their loud, dirty, possibly dangerous (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, that's really disgusting. I think maybe Denny's watched Roger and Me a few too many times. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Reply-To: cjc@newsguy.com Message-Id: <slrn7oalrb.7jg.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) (...) Or people have grown so fed-up with every new property tax increase being touted as "necessary to turn education around" and yet year (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how my logic lead to this conclusion. But, I agree that breaking some laws is required to maintain moral purity. Since the US government uses my tax dollars to kill people with whom I have no beef, I do feel kind of sleazy allowing (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher L. Weeks wrote in message <3784F884.EBFE1372@c...ri.edu>... (...) why do (...) Chris, I know we are on the same side and all, but following your moral further, it is also right to break the laws, as you see fit, because it hurts the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Statistical studies only support, and can never _prove_ a particular hypothesis. At least if you're rational and believe (generally) that the scientific method is valid. Ed can't possibly prove that, he can only support it with evidence. (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I agree that this is a problem, but your number 2 below really drives the nail through the board. (...) It's advancing. Here at the University of Missouri, there are (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) broken. (...) Not at all, see my response to Larry on this - you claimed to lack an appropriate flippant response - so I provided it. But I must say, that the original suggestion of sterilization made my skin crawl. (...) But on to the serious (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One thing I'm going to insert here, and has almost nothing to do with the current discussion, is that the "Original Sin" belief does not exist in Mormonism as it does in most other creationist religions. We are taught that Adam transgressed, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds as if you're saying that the morally 'best' course of action would be to stand off and not take the unemployment. I disagree strongly. I think that if you disagree with the system in the way that you (and I) seem to, you owe it to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I addressed this more fully in another note, but it was never my intent to come off as hostile. I'm Sorry that Thomas and others feel that way. How would you like me to tone my arguments, or are just some topics too much for some of you? (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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