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(...) Not at all, and this has never been so. (I would point that even if inferior 'laws' stated that, they would be negated by the constitution, but that's not really my point at this time.) (...) said. (...) See (URL) for the details. Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's exactly the same. And there are Americans who feel both of those sentiments. That's one of the things that makes/made us strong. Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The solution that I would like to see for the US is undistricting. If we were electing the top n representitives instead of the top one from n districts, then small parties would get at least some representation. When that happened, I expect (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "make trouble"? Were they stealing cars? Were they breaking into shops? What was this "trouble"? (...) In the UK it would be called harrasment. (...) Perhaps not. (...) I have no probelm with that site. (...) The issue is bigger than the dam. (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Permits" doe not equal causes. (...) I am amazed that Israel is in this list. My perceptions of the country are the exact opposite. Even today, more murders were in the news: (URL) understand that one of those murdered was a baby. (...) I (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, What you do is cut-and-paste LP dogma repeatedly in an effort to incite a noisy debate. When you do it, you are unwilling to justify what you post. My most recent action aside, if people are unhappy with me justifying any point I make (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is you proposed solution on this? Smaller parties in the UK back PR as they hope it will benefit them? Is that on the agenda in the USA? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I assume the resultant gun is then illegal? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting point, but I think it can be avoided if it is a Federal test, not a state or other local test. Since the test should be done in conjunction with the training course, there shouldn't be a problem: if it ain't in the (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, mine was a somewhat rhetorical question, though not obviously so. However, he (Tom, I apologize for addressing you in 3rd person this way, but we're working with our interpretations of your post, rather than your input--please feel free (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Further, the system has been deliberately skewed (on many levels) to ensure that the current two parties are virtually unseatable, so the hope for real change at the ballot box is slim. Fortunately, the two parties we are stuck with tend to (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) isn't, in your view? Or is it that you can post stuff in response but not initiate via posting, in your view? (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While the health problems may be relatively inexpensive (though I don't believe it to be so), the heath costs are, I think, considerably smaller than the longterm impact upon productivity. Opponents might point to tobacco, caffeine, and (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't. The people for whom I vote, lose. What can I do? I am completely at the mercy of the majority. (...) How do you define this, and what makes you think so? Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who mentioned a "campaign"? (...) I think you are wrong. I think the movie could be viewed as parody of the kind of situation which we see in the movies which feed gun culture. I think the target audience of the two may be similar. Do you (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No-one's stopping you. You posted it, I said what I thought of it. I don't think that showing the result of someone else's opinions adds much to the debate. If you wholeheartedly back that campaign, then what are it's aims and means? That (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I did not realise you were policing this "debate". Perhaps you should give an outline of the type of response you do want? I have no problem with anyone posting links to just about any view they wish. I still view the link as fun way of (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Erm. 'Fun'? No, that's childish 95% fact-free propaganda. You're just inviting links to this sort of stuff from all sides. I'd rather not see links to similarly insulting propaganda from the NRA* posted here, so I'd rather not see that brought (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some related fun: (URL) A (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm amazed by this lack of trust in the authorities. In the UK, we elect people to office. If they do a lousy job, we elect someone else next time. The constant threat of losing their job generally makes them listen to the populace during (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Call me wacky, but I'm sort of OK with reciting the pledge, once you're old enough to know what you're committing to, and with the proviso that you can leave the godstuff out. I like the US. Even with all the injustice and repression and (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No *perhaps* about it. He's a twit (1) and I'm a sucker for his trolling. 1 - not always!!! Just when he wants to be, which is a good part, but not all, of the time. ++Lar (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:GGq2pA.GDv@lugnet.com... (...) American flag is (...) little of (...) to do so. (...) across (...) curtail (...) And <snip> (...) No, Tom states that he thinks does not agree with people who (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:GGqFsC.CvJ@lugnet.com... (...) removed from (...) think that's (...) trivial (...) a kid in (...) and I kept (...) get in a (...) superstition. (...) significant (...) the pledge (...) (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GGqtL6.25y@lugnet.com... (...) owner needs (...) nothing ever is. (...) powerful (...) aposteriori (...) nonetheless, (...) white could (...) could (...) except (...) somewhere (and (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's been awhile, but I caught this, and I just have to respond...: Itching, let me tell you, is a complex thing. I've had skin problems from before I was one year old. Scratching the itch, indeed, relieves anxiety for a short period. But (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I support the notion that people ought to be competent users of any powerful tool, especially one as powerful as a gun. However... My objection to an apriori training requirement (rather than an aposteriori lawsuit for negligent behaviour) is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or shot more innocents. If the number of handguns were thinned out, it would be less likely Joe Blow would need his handgun. There is also the increased number of wackos carrying handguns to contend with ("Hey, you cut me off, well I'll show (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm going to address a few selective points here, please excuse me - tonight is my 9th wedding anniversary - goin out for a nice dinner. (...) That is very true. An armed and highly visible guard would have affected his decision, but I would contend (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very concise! Y'all can talk about these issues until everyone is blue in the face (or at least blue in the typing fingers...) but in the United States we have de facto guns and drugs in the hands of anyone wanting them. Yes, we have laws and (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I kind of neglected part of this before. (...) "With all [my] eduction," I can reject lots of well regarded psychological theories. In fact, I have to since many of them are contradictory. There are thousands of people who have spent their academic (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And it's pretty closely related to two other gems: the use of conspiracy laws beyond cases involving treason (previously providing the only use of conspiracy laws), and the use of testimony bought with bargained for punishment agreements. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) kind (...) What I really mean is that I think the God phrase is a relatively trivial point. I was raised as an athiest. I refused to say the pledge as a kid in school because of the God thing. It caused me all kinds of hassle, and I kept a (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) (...) The smiley was meant (though obviously unsuccessfully) to point to my silly irony and indicate that such a result would _not_ be the best possible outcome. But I do think that it would be the outcome of a gun ban in the US. And I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was replying in kind. Take it as you please, but I wasn't the first. My point was that it's a bad analogy because even with narcotic/alcohol prohibition, the first thing the criminals do is arm themselves. (...) Ah - a smiley. Hmm. Why am I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wouldn't call a religious based argument dumb and petty (even if it is being asked for on nonreligious grounds, i.e. separation of church and state, or "what about the atheists?"), it might get a whole new thread going ;-) Oops, too late. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is certainly a valid point, and close to home since a co-worker in the next building over from mine had his son involved in this very incident (thankfully unharmed). But it was the presense of armed guards, not Joe Blow with a concealed (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying, in essence (in this thread, and, like all of us, across many other threads), that you want to preserve, for example, your Constitutionally-enumerated right to bear arms, but you want to curtail someone else's (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a *fantastic* summation. I read the various Chronicles in my early twenties, but when I tried to reread them a few years later I couldn't do it. One of Donaldson's greatests strengths is an obvious love of the language, coupled with a (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) RICO. I think it is "Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations" or something close to that. It's a great little law if you also like civil forfeiture... (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't post much here, but I'd like to say that the criminal will always find a way to obtain firearms, regardless if the society in which he lives has banned them. As for banning firarms themselves? We must remember that one of Adolf Hitler's (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I understand it, that is a fairly typical experience. (...) I think that some people want it gone for that reason, but I think that's kind of dumb and petty. The real reason to be done with it is that requiring any kind of pledge of (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember saying the pledge of allegiance up until about the fifth grade. After that, I remember only reciting it rarely. It could have been the switch in schools, or a regional thing. I'm not sure. If I am remembering correctly, the ACLU was (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How unconstitutional that would be. -) (...) If you still thought you were right, and the state allowed criticism, another option could be to stay and try to persuade others your view for correct. After all, if you were to flee, you would (I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but in the mean time you'd be supporting evil. Some people seem to find that unacceptable. The best short term option would be to stay, breaking the law, and look for ways to change the system or better places to go. (...) That's the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think it was humor. I think he was being snotty. (...) Only if you consider a national bloodbath and endless guerilla war "bad." :-) (...) Ayup! And you know why we won't end the war on drugs? Because the police support it. You know (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. We are specifically and knowingly indoctrinating (brainwashing) a sense of nationalism in our children. I find it reprehensible and occasionally write to the ACLU urging them to tackle the problem. I would like the see (at least) the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you still thought you were right, and the state allowed criticism, another option could be to stay and try to persuade others your view for correct. But where would you go if you were to leave the USA in the manner you describe above, which (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The below is a good question but does not address the question I raised above... (...) This is a good question... it gets to the root of, does one accept unconditional majority rule? The constitution is a fundamental document, superior (in the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So what IS your point then? My point is that there are more dangerous things than guns. If I am not mistaken, one of the statistics sited here directly showed that most gun deaths are actually suicides...and that the percentage of child deaths is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmm...I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic directly with me or if you were merely adding more humor... If, perchance, you missed my meaning here, purhaps I can clear it up a bit... Making guns illegal will only make things worse. Narcotics were (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I feel the same way. Although, I think this varies drastically from country-to-country. I was working in Northern Denmark a few years ago, and I was amazed at how many houses had the Danish flag flying (I estimate 10-20%!). If I were to do (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe it is just a cultural thing... if I saw a Scot burning a St Andrew's Cross I'd think he was either a bit on the daft side and/or had more money than sense, shrug my shoulders and walk on. Were I a seller of St Andrew's Cross flags I'd be (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the fundamental question is, if something contrary to your personal view is chosen at the end of the legal process by a majority decision, would you abide by it? If it meant giving up your unconditional requirement to arm yourself, would (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have to put in my vote for David Weber for Military SF. -- Overkill is the only sure kill. SR "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GGp2GL.4q8@lugnet.com... (...) hoped (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jason J. Railton" <j.j.railton@cwcom.net> wrote in message news:GGo98I.DA5@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) sue) toy (...) with video (...) hold of (...) firearm, so (...) 'sporting (...) I am worried about what is in the 'sporting goods' section. There (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "That so-and-so understands the constitution better than you do and therefore would make a better Member of Congress ??? ":-) Ya, that sort of posturing makes me ill. Kind of like the guys who rail against pork but are first at the trough for (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, whereas I thought he just pulled out the ending without giving any hint that it was going to play out that way. I don't want to spoil too much so won't be more specific. (...) I'm of the opposite view, I see _Fire_ as his best by far. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I support clarifying the meaning. Maybe the best way is to compose several alternative replacements that have different meanings (but all of which are clear in *what* they mean) and see which one survives the process. I'd actively work to (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, I did miss most of the thread. A thousand pardons Sahib! But I did see that comment by Chris. I was reacting to the word carnage in my comments above. Although, I do think the world would be safer if more responsible citizens (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you support a rewording that was in opposition to your interpretation of the amendment and to your interpretation of the original authors' intent? (Assuming, of course, that any rewording was accomplished through legal and proper (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for one thing, "commerce" included the sale of human beings, so while "commerce" still meant "trade in goods and/or services," the application of that word was materially different. Similarly, "interstate" transactions completed today in (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Moreover, superfluous legislation of this sort serves only to provide members of Congress with public relations fodder, a la "I voted to protect Our Nation's Flag, so-and-so did not--what does that tell you?" I concur with you and (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I didn't see that. I thought that he did a good job of plausibly giving Pham appropriate advantages in order to allow him to cleverly win. Actually, I think it was his best work yet. Because Star Wars was so much better than what had come (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, she'd be a mistress. :-) <GD&R> ... actually I understand that Vernor made an honest woman(1) of her for some while but they parted friends. 1 - you know, that phrase just bugs me, it seems wrong somehow. Seems to devalue love for (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's surely up there. However his latest wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped (it seemed to end rather implausibly after a setup for apparent invincibility by the villians). Here's hoping we never have an Emergency here. (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a rare talent... fortunately. Some authors are born to mediocrity, some acquire it in old age, and some have it thrust upon them (1). Fortunately a few lose it, too. 1 - success sometimes seems to do this... I like Orson Scott Card a LOT (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you mean "he" my friend, or "he" the author? Either way, you were right, except that this particular friend was a woman. (...) I think I finished the first two books and had to politely excuse myself from the series when Beth tried to (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Guys I like to mind my own business but I have to say something. I, like you Eric, am not taking sides. I have to say Nick I felt your anger when I read Mladen's response to a very simple question. You saw that there was a relation with the mecha (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've never actually read much MZB that wasn't a short story, and I've never had strong feelings about her one way or the other. I haven't read any Darkover, because I hate coming into the middle of a story or setting, and I've never had (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read all the Darkover books as a kid. My tastes have refined considerably since then and when I tried to read a more recent one as a young adult (19-21 or so) I just couldn't do it. It was disappointing. (...) I think the key here is (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) the (...) whole (...) the (...) popular (...) which (...) clearly (...) place (...) is (...) or (...) ask for their papers, and went back when they refused to show. I can't see any problem here. Maybe you just can't imagine in your (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Terry Brooks should stop pretending to write good fiction, acknowledge that he writes marginal formula at best, and run with it. I don't mind some of his stuff, I just hate that some people are fooled into thinking it's quality (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I knew I shouldn't have mentioned that. I haven't read any of her other books but I knew she was noted for writing things from "a women's perspective". Which I don't have a problem with - at least normally. The book starts interestingly enough (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And before the zealots start screaming, note that Larry stated libertarianism (SMALL l) is on the rise, not Libertarianism. Big difference, as has been noted before. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell me more?? I know there are a number of people that like her work but I found it, well, not that accessible and not that engaging. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think things have got quite to the point of needing to burn the flag just yet. I see it as such a disrespectful statement that it's only one small step from armed rebellion. The excesses and oppressions of our government haven't yet (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <<We are all a part of the militia and to be so without weaponry is foolish and irresponsible. Americans have not only a right to bear arms, but in my opinion a responsibility so that they are (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you won't catch me defending the later politics of one A. Hamilton, but we also have Madison's Notes on the Convention, don't we? (URL) you can find The Federalist at: (URL) Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not feel that it is right to burn the flag. It may be more of an emotional attachment to a symbol than anything. Many people have fought and died for the principles that the flag (in it's various designs throughout history) stands for. I (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whereas it is not my usual style to burn anyone's flag (it's just cheap theatrics) perhaps the best way to voice my opinion on this would be to go out and burn a flag. Okay, I'd probably just burn a copy of the proposed law, but I think it's (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) protected by the first amendment. Such an action demonstrates distress and outrage more concisely and more stridently than can any written manifesto. The right to express one's feelings about the government is a key right of the citizens of (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We must also remember that the PROPER way to dispose of the American flag is to burn it, not throw it away. I think people that burn it in protest are slime (if they think so little of the US and are citizens, LEAVE!), but I think they have the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Carried out in a safe, non polluting manner, on property that is controlled by someone granting permission and using a flag legitimately purchased, burning the flag is protected free speech. It's not a statement *I* would care to make but it's (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Stirring the waters a bit here... I'm not sure what I think of the proposed amendment. I'm all for free speech, but I think that burning the flag is wrong too. Is there middle ground somewhere where I could find some footing? What do you think? (URL) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do tell... I'm rather at a loss on how there is a difference in the meanings of such fundamental terms. Rather, this was a deliberate misconstruing, done knowingly by Congress. Kind of like how Michigan's Right to Carry law was made referendum (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, Just so you know that Larry's not just being rude because of your...special...relationship, I have no idea what you're saying either. I think that I've put the words individually all back together, but I still just don't know what you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it does not imply either of those things. I'm shocked, just shocked, that you would not be able to read my words and derive the clear meaning they contain. But oh well. The constitution suffers from lack of clarity in many places, (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is so riddled with typos I can't make it out. Would you please repeat the question, this time carefully checking for correctness? Thanks. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bodie, California would certainly count (the popular observation of the times: "Goodbye God, I'm going to Bodie"). I mean, one could hardly call Mormon Central (Utah) the "wild" west for example (oops, just peered at the next sentence...you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to skip right to the meat of the matter. Not trying to avoid it. (...) Maybe. That certainly isn't a given. For one thing, statistics often are compiled such that they attempt to represent under reported aspects. Since the statute (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If such a majority exists, then they should have the ability to amend the constitution. I encourage their right to do so. And I don't fear it because I don't think it can happen. And if it does, I may well chose to break the law. I am nobody's (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I note you skipped the part about the morons firing into the air not getting into the stats. :-) And those instances you mention weren't reported and so weren't part of the stats, either. Bruce (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be. Democracy doesn't depend on a constitution per se. However, the US has a constitution that is supposed to be the prime law of the land. All other rules are subordinate and inferior to the constitution and rules that conflict with (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh...you mean the other reference was to people under 21 or something and you'd rather be looking at only the younger ones. Gotcha! (...) the (...) better). (...) Well, if I had the stats to know, I'd post them. So I don't know. I suspect you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idunno, a film that actually admitted that a cannon shot essentially an iron bowling ball can't be all bad... Bruce (okay, so I skip the over-wrought story on the DVD player) :-) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is another example in which it's useful to recall the context of the 18th century vs. the context of today. "Interstate" and "commerce" had strikingly different meanings back then, I suspect, or at least strikingly different applications. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What would you use as criteria for testing? (...) Governing *who* is allowed to own a firearm is different than governing *how* a firearm is stored. How are inspections conducted? Are they random, or planned? Does the governement need (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding is that some places and some times were peacable for the most part. What counts as the wild west? I'm reading books written by J.D. Fitzgerald about his life in southern Utah prior to the turn of the 20th century. Some of the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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