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Re: The position of authority (was: Handgun Death Rate)
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Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:23:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason J. Railton writes:
Erm. 'Fun'?  No, that's childish 95% fact-free propaganda...
Sorry, I did not realise you were policing this "debate". Perhaps you should
give an outline of the type of response you do want?

No-one's stopping you. You posted it, I said what I thought of it.  I don't
think that showing the result of someone else's opinions adds much to the
debate.  If you wholeheartedly back that campaign, then what are it's aims
and means?  That gives us something to debate.

I have no problem with anyone posting links to just about any view they
wish. I still view the link as fun way of communicating an argument, and I
invite readers to view it again:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/activism/heston/movie.asp

Thanks for the thought, but I did actually watch it through twice the first
time you posted the link.  ;-]

I think the page communicates a serious message, the method of communication
has potential to broaden the range of views in the wider debate - I view
this as a good thing. It forces those in interested in the debate to
consider the issues. Like so many debates, those taking part in this one
have opposing intransigent views - but they only represent a tiny percentage
of the population.

You can act pious if you wish. But rather than instantly dismiss the page as
“propaganda”,   I invite you to tell us what it is about the message you do
not like.

It may be a serious message, but I think the commercial-media style
presentation trivialises it (and I'm not talking about the quality of flash
movies).  The few statistics it does show could (no doubt) be easily put
down or countered by someone with just a little more information to hand.
The idea that America was founded on some 'pure' principal then corrupted by
gun posession can be (and has been) argued against since some scope to bear
arms was made constitutional long before the NRA existed.  And aren't there
defamotary laws against the use of someone's likeness in this way?

So, what's the point you're bringing to the debate?

Jason J Railton



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  Re: The position of authority (was: Handgun Death Rate)
 
(...) Who mentioned a "campaign"? (...) I think you are wrong. I think the movie could be viewed as parody of the kind of situation which we see in the movies which feed gun culture. I think the target audience of the two may be similar. Do you (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: The position of authority (was: Handgun Death Rate)
 
(...) Sorry, I did not realise you were policing this "debate". Perhaps you should give an outline of the type of response you do want? I have no problem with anyone posting links to just about any view they wish. I still view the link as fun way of (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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