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Re: Handgun Death Rate
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:08:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> >
> > Kind of like the old west, eh? Oh wait, that was called the Wild West for a
> > reason.
> >
> > You'd even more people shooting each other for trivial reasons than they do
> > now. God only knows the carnage that would happen on the freeways.
> >
> > I mean in excess of the current car-nage. :-)
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> Let's be realistic here: there is no *carnage*! I don't even agree that we
> have a "gun problem". The fact is - *less than* ONE PERCENT of firearms are
> used illegally! Doesn't sound like much of a problem to me.
>
> There are over 200 million guns in the hands of private citizens. There are
> more than one million incidents of defensives uses of firearms to prevent
> violent crimes. 30,000 deaths, while regrettable, is hardly carnage -
> considering the largest percentage of those deaths are self inflicted. How
> many suicides are committed without guns? As I noted elsewhere, the "under
> 21" figure includes police shootings of juvenile offenders. So,
> realistically, the actual number is more like 15,000 gun deaths. 200 million
> guns and only 15,000 deaths - c'mon?!
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> >
> > >
> > > Nope. If I'm ever shot or otherwise brutalized, I'll be pissed off that none
> > > of the witnesses was armed sufficiently to stop the crime. If we all carried
> > > guns, crime would grind to a screaching halt.
> >
> > Do you have any actual evidence of such?
> >
> > Bruce
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> January 1997 "Journal of Legal Studies" showed that concealed-carry weapons
> permits reduced crime rates.
"Permits" doe not equal causes.
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> Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, and Israel have high gun-ownership rates
> and low crime rates.
I am amazed that Israel is in this list. My perceptions of the country are
the exact opposite. Even today, more murders were in the news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1448000/1448200.stm
I understand that one of those murdered was a baby.
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> The banning of guns in the UK was a direct reaction to the tragedy of
> Dunblane, the act of a deranged person, not a cool, calculating criminal.
> You don't need guns to kill lots of people anyway, take a look at Rwanda,
> 800,000 people hacked to death in 100 days, a figure unmatched even by the
> Nazis.
I expect that if guns could be had in Rwanda thay would have been used. What
happened in Rwanda does not justify gun use in developed countries - does it?
Scott A
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> Bill
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