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Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) How would that change anything? (...) OK, I'll bite :-) (...) Absolutely. 100% (...) I don't want to call them insignificant, but I think that due to the way you've phrased the question, the only answer I can give is Yes. I think that the RKBA (...) (25 years ago, 13-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee

On Thu, 13 May 1999 14:53:43 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) It wouldn't generally, but might temper the reaction of "stupid bloody foreigner!" That could instead be "half-stupid, half- foreigner!" (...) (...) (25 years ago, 13-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Jeff Stembel

(...) I wrote a report in High school on gun control. When I find it, would you like a copy of it or the bibliography? Jeff (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) I'd like a copy of the bibliography. Dunno about you, but I took all honors and AP English classes when I was in high school (and English is one of the majors I had in college), but I doubt I could get through one of the papers I wrote when I (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Jeff Stembel

(...) like (...) I'll see what I can do. I'm sure it's on one of my numerous disks lying around my desk. :) Anyways, sorry for not responding earlier, I stopped reading the board and I just now remembered that people may have answered my posts. :) (...) (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) You know, I don't get that. I've seen lots of newsgroups explode into US v. Canada or US v. UK debates, and its always so silly. Ultimately, you get a tiny little say in what goes on in your government and I get a tiny little say in mine, but (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Jeff Stembel

(...) Nitpick: You got the wording slightly wrong (which can make a world of difference if you start analyzing it) "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Thanks, I was doing it from memory - thinking I got it right and noticed that I was wrong after the fact. I think the commas I left out are more significant than security, but it's better to have it all. (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Hi! (...) <culturerant> I'm from Detroit. Half of my family came from Ontario in the early decades of this century; the other half is from Ohio. I've got Canadian, English, Welsh, Norman, Saxon, Oneida, and Lord knows what other identity. What's (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Frank Filz

Mr L F Braun wrote in message <373D07C9.3E786497@p...su.edu>... (...) wrong.) (...) Your entirely ignoring the reason for the Declaration of Independance... The reason the United States has its own government totally independant of England is (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Sorry for the absence--it's been a long week. (...) I'm not talking about accepting French aid--which was instrumental to our success--but in exalting the French and the aristocracy of that country. There was a ton of Francophilia going on in the (...) (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Hi. (...) But, the people of the colonies and the people of Britain had different worries. I don't want to get into a historical debate, because I am simply not equipped to do so...I mean I'm ignorant in comparison to you. (unless you're (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Hi again, (...) I try only to make stuff up when it's inconsequential. ;) My "field" isn't early US/18th C. Britain, it's later, so all I have is ancillary knowledge and methodological things. I'm in agreement with the "they had different worries" (...) (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Apologies--I snipped the conversation-order. Erk. I need to stop working so late. LFB. (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) "The people" - then and now - are whatever people we assume the constatution governs. That has clearly changed. I don't have answers to the fine points (e.g. are illegal aliens part of the people?) but I think that we can comfortably agree (...) (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Frank Filz

(...) The Massachusetts militia were organized by towns. I think under an elected officer. The towns of course were (and still are) governed by open town meeting (total democracy).I don't recall how a leader was chosen when the militia of several (...) (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) The main beef I have with foreigners is that, for the most part, their money is prettier than ours. Who the hell picked green as the color of money? (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Yeah, but have you checked out the new blow-dried Andrew Jackson on the 20? We're moving that way :-) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Duane Hess

(...) Do you think that's gel I see in his portrait? It looks like he's fresh from the stylist. :-) Duane (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

Yeah, "but he's worth it!";-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(The Color of Money [isn't that a movie?] stuff snipped) (...) The stylist may simply have been afraid of him. Look at the eyes--they're absolutely psychotic in a way I've never seen on US money. So he's coiffed *and* crazy; this may be part of the (...) (25 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller

(...) It might be pretty to look at, but I think it is a waste. Sure, the coins will "last longer, thus reducing printing costs associated with bills". But who really wants to carry around big, heavy dollar coins? And it will probably be big - size (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) The big failing was the thickness. Had it been twice as thick, there probably wouldn't have been such a lousy response to it. It really was way too quarterlike (the infamous "Carter Quarter," which you can still get in large numbers from (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Am I the only one who likes the SueB? I never got them confused with quarters (but I was in the third grade) and still feel nostalgic when I get them in change at the post office vending machines. (...) And $2s rock too. They must have at (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Frank Filz

(...) At certain caving events I go to, the organizers, and most of the vendors stock up on $2 bills. The idea is that when you go out to a restaurant for dinner, or otherwise spend money in town, the townies see all these $2 bills and realize how (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) So you're saying 2's rock too?? Or are you saying they're a bit hollow? Seriously, I have heard of other groups that want people to know what their economic impact is doing the same thing. Seems a neat idea. (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss

(...) It sure beats marking quarters. Steve (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Hey, I know you can get $1 bills from the Treasury in pads--can you get $2 that way too? An old roomie of mine had no end of trouble from people refusing to believe that $1 on a pad could possibly be real. I get funny enough looks passing $2 (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee

On Mon, 24 May 1999 23:09:02 GMT, Mr L F Braun uttered the following profundities... Snipped for brevity...... Pound coins do make life easier! Except for posting money, one couldn't send off a pound note to a charity, one only had a fiver! They (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss

(...) Augh! Quoting from (URL) (...) Why couldn't they have gone with a 27 or 28mm diameter? That would have been enough to differentiate the two coins! At least it won't have the same 'reeded' edge as a quarter! Hopefully, the thickness and weight (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Augh! is right! Oh, that's just plain idiotic. The only rationale I can see is that they don't want to have to retool all of the old coin-op machines in the post office and public transit around the country (provided it will be about the same (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller

(...) My mistake. Same size. I still think it is not needed. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss

(...) That's a better explanation than anything I thought up. It especially makes sense, if the major rationale for a new dollar coin is for it to be used in vending machines. And if the size limit for vending machines is the 26.5mm quarter. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

(...) Don't forget-- this is America where a) bigger is better, b) bigger is more valuable, and 3;) therefore a dollar coin must be the size of a coaster. I point to Suzy B as an attempt to the contrary to rest my case. Oh, and I forgot-- the land (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) I haven't been paying much attention to this topic, either here or in the news, so it's new to me. Works for me, though. We make a point of saving all our change and using it to pay for groceries (at a store that has one of the counting (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

<374a9c3e.76110762@lugnet.com> <slrn7klkb6.3rr.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You're willing to GIVE UP 8 cents on the dollar? Yeesh. Buy one of those machines and roll your own. (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) Well, if the machine actually works and doesn't require a lot of intervention from me it would be a good deal. If it requires a lot of TLC then it becomes a waste of my time. Dunno, I've spent hours rolling 40 or 50 dollars worth of coins (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

<374B3CBA.BCA00FF5@voyager.net> <slrn7kmk19.3vq.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) My bank just does this for free. Is that rare or something? Why not just take it in occasionally when (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) My bank doesn't accept unrolled coins. I'm switching bank soons anyway, at least for the majority of my banking. We already have a savings account at the UTK credit union. My checking acct at my current bank is free, but I have to do all my (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss

(...) You must be younger than you seem. Policy has varied widely on this burning issue, but it used to be that *most* banks would roll coins for account holders. Steve (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) Hrmmmm.... Thanks, I think? I wonder how young I seem? :) (...) Well, my bank sucks. I've only had accounts at ... 3 banks in my life, though, so I have limited experience. Wells Fargo, Nations Bank, and now First American. Soon I will move (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

<374B6266.6F2EB049@c...souri.edu> <slrn7kn0lu.40s.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Mine does it too, although it's a Credit Union. As (...) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Yeah, I suppose that's an issue, but I've never been screwed so much that I'd notice. Also, it's the same machine they use for their own stuff, so I'd assume that it's pretty top notch engineering. (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) <plug> Same here--I don't deal with banks regularly anymore, but it seems that most small banks around NJ don't provide those little services while Credit Unions do. That, and much friendlier rates, interest-bearing no-fee checking, a solvent (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

<374B86D0.1FEC2102@uswest.net> <37563579.4B4C2B7B@p...t.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You are preaching to the choir here, brother! (25 years ago, 4-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller

(...) Sure, lots of countries have pretty money. Some are outright garish. But I think the greenback has a certain understated elegance to it. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Plus a certain understated recognition value. There's a brief piece on US currency and its legitimacy as a *global* standard of exchange in the New York Times magazine this weekend--worth reading, even if the nationalistic hyperbole gets (...) (25 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee

On Mon, 17 May 1999 23:41:55 GMT, Terry K uttered the following profundities... (...) I like the detail in US paper currency. I dislike the new style. (Same with postage stamps. Older US postage stamps were beautiful. These '90's ones look like they (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen

(...) Sure you do. You just don't notice it any more... Sure, you can grow a habit of always checking the number on the bill before spending it. But what if you don't have your reading-glasses on? Recognising whether a bill is red, green, or blue is (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller

(...) Generally agreed. (...) I can understand that. (...) Huh? Why is it illegal? -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee

On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:22:14 GMT, Terry K uttered the following profundities... (...) An assumption, based on the fact that most images of paper currency usually have something obscuring an important part of the note. Shall we do so, anyway? Front (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller

(...) Oh, you want to scan them and compare online? AFAIK, in the US, it is not illegal to make copies of currency as long as the copy is a certain minimum percentage larger or smaller. Not sure of the percentage. 25% +- does spring to mind, though. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) It's my understanding, also, that some percentage of the scan or copy needs to be obscured or obliterated. But that probably wouldn't get in the way of getting two scans, with different parts missing, and pasting them together digitally... (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Terry Keller

(...) I must be sick, I just took the time to search this out: (URL) interesting. The most interesting point is the how to define "after their final use" in section #3. And, come to think of it, how does one specify a size on a computer monitor? For (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:49:06 GMT, Terry K uttered the following profundities... (...) I'll read it later. I do know a phenomenal amount of US dollar notes pass through London, via some US city, each week. Replacement of old bills going to the US, and (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

After all of the discussion about currencies, I have scanned a few bank notes so people can compare. Here is the site: (URL) is the text from the page, should anyone wish to send me scans of their banknotes. After discussing currency on Lugnet, I (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Frank Filz

(...) refused both last night and today. (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Frank Filz

(...) Must have been a server problem, works now... Nice. There is some kind of image problem though, the reverse of the UK 10 pound note is larger than the front. (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Larry Pieniazek

This page will load a LOT faster in most browsers if you use the height and width tags on the IMG tags. See the source of just about any of my pages for the syntax. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

Once upon a time, (on Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:28:15 GMT, to be precise!), Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities.... (...) We had been discussing currencies. I think it was Mike who commented on other countries' pretty banknotes. (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

Once upon a time, (on Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:38:54 GMT, to be precise!), Frank Filz uttered the following profundities.... (...) Nope, no typo! I linked to it directly from this post. You wouldn't be the 1st person to report refused connection, though. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

Once upon a time, (on Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:15:04 GMT, to be precise!), Frank Filz uttered the following profundities.... (...) Whoops! Looks like I cut off a few millimetres of the right side. I intend to rescan them anyway, as they weren't the best (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Making money on the Net (Was: New Web Page) —Richard Dee

Once upon a time, (on Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:28:15 GMT, to be precise!), Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities.... (...) Didn't see that part. I deleted the height and width tags for the first one (used Web Edit Pro), and just copy/pasted (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

(...) If I may jump in to interject my 2 slugs worth;-) I don't know if the Constitution guarantees the right to possess *guns* per say, merely to "bear arms". Suppose technology creates a Star Trekkian phaser capable of merely stunning an (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lee Jorgensen

(...) What's to stop someone from stunning me first, then taking a rock and killing me? Besides, in the great wisdom of our leaders, current stun guns are illegal. (note heavy sarcasm). (...) Taser. Currently banned in most locales. Then the (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John DiRienzo

Lee Jorgensen wrote in message <373C4173.E8AB1A57@u...st.net>... (...) "bear (...) merely (...) *Everyone* would (...) the use (...) The Constitution does not specify which types of arms, but nowhere does it say that *anything* is contraband to an (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Just one point here. (Christoper is doing fine otherwise) There is no need for EVERYONE to be armed. An armed populace does not mean 100% heated. 1% or even 1/10% is all it takes. Not everyone in the old west was a gunslinger, but it was a (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones

(...) OK, who decides who needs to be armed? By what criteria? And armed to what extent? Not everyone in the (...) FYI, check your facts - New York's "tough anti gun laws" have resulted in a direct reduction of crime, a direct reduction of murder (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Self selected. By the criteria of being able to afford it. To whatever extent it takes. (personally I want star trek stunners too, and I'd put up some VC to get them if I had any) (...) Check yours. The reduction in violent crimes seems mostly (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Duane Hess

(...) *LOL* Larry, you do have a way with words (...) I do agree with you on the TLG reference though. Duane (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Popular society (Was: New Web Page) —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) Plus, he makes really really really cool Castle sets. (...) Sure, they're evil. But... Why is everyone scrambling to go see Star Wars? Why is everyone scrambling to buy the toys? To see the makeup jobs? To explore brave new possibilities for (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Popular society (Was: New Web Page) —Mike Stanley

(...) I'm going to see the new SW movie for the same reason I went to see Jurassic Park - I dig cool special effects. Sure, I like the good vs evil aspect of it, but I never cared much for the "story" in the other three. I'm sure this one will be (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones

(...) The changes were brought about by initiatives begun during the Koch and Dinkins administrations - Rudy is just taking credit for it all. FYI - I like D infinitely better than R, but that's another subject (and if you really want to talk nasty (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Debatable. But debating it puts me in an R defending position. No thanks, I'll pass. Politicians would take credit for the sun rising if they could. (...) No argument, R & D are both nasty. I just hope Carville and Matalin never have kids, (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones

(...) Just to name two of the initiatives - Koch and Dinkins added 1000s of police to the force. The return of beat cops in "problem" neighborhoods. (...) No need to disagree - the quotes are there simply to reinforce the fact that we do not and (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones

(...) I forgot the most important point: Those transactions are completed 99% of the time via wire transfer from bank accounts - that is the reason that brokerages would be required to track the transactions. (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) I wonder if a TN concealed carry permit would be honored in FL. Probably not, but worth checking into since we're planning another FL vacation. May be a non-issue since we're considering flying, though. May also be a non-issue if we drive, (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) It's also a non-issue because it's a felony to cross state lines with your weapon. At least that's how I understand it. (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) Really? I will have to look that up now. If for no other reason than curiosity. I'm not sure I'm ready to accept that I can only exercise my 2nd ammendment rights within the confines of my own state. (25 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) My father explained it thus, many moons ago: If you're going to be carrying firearms from one state into another, you have to obtain a license from all the states involved--wherever you'll be carrying the firearm. If the target area (pun (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee

On Fri, 14 May 1999 21:36:58 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) Big news here a few years back. High car-rental ratios there, and rental cars were easily identifiable. They changed the registration plates as a result, (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Hi, Sorry, Ed, I've got one nitpick: (...) This statement is 100% dead wrong. Europe may have been "more civilized," but only because the idea of civilization was "that which is like Europe." The "world" was not--and in large part it was so because (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) The free citizens who are guaranteed the right to arm themselves make that decision for themselves. Probably sounds wacko in today's society, but I'd say let the people who want to own firearms do so and let those who don't want them not own (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —James Brown

(...) I've been trying to stay away from this thread, but I can't just let this slide by. I do not want to own a gun, but if I lived in an area where guns were commonly available (as in your suggestion above), I would likely need to get one. Why? (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) So it is your belief that in areas with strict gun control laws criminals simply choose, out of fear of the law or something, to arm themselves with knives and baseball bats? (...) It would seem that your logic is completely faulty. It IS (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —James Brown

(...) No, it is my belief that, in general, most criminals of the caliber likely to invade my home while I am there are neither stunningly intelligent or ambitious. As such, if guns are difficult to get a hold of, they are much less likely to have (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Seems to me that the ones who'll break in while you are there *and* in a fairly gun-free area are either blindingly stupid or--more likely--intelligent and armed. After all, they're the ones who aren't caught or killed, and they rob again and (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) It doesn't bother me much when the fatality is the invader. What DOES bother me in your (contrived (1)) scenario is all the little old ladies clubbed to death with baseball bats because they can't swing a big stick as well as a 6'2" 240 pound (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —James Brown

(...) But the odds are as much in favor of the fatality being mine as anyone elses. If I'm involved in a violent crime, I would simply rather the chance of a fatality was slim or none. (...) Hm. I'm sorry, but the number of little old ladies who get (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) If you live in the US (do you?) guns are readily available to criminals. When I was in highschool (roughly 1985-6) I was periferally associated with a group of kids who brought guns from Texas to Missouri and sold them to other kids at a huge (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —James Brown

(...) I do not live in the US. Define 'readily available'. I can, with a certain amount of paperwork, go down to my local sporting goods store, or outdoor supplier, and pick up a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't even know what I would have to do to (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek

(...) You're going to do what he says, huh? Even when he remembers that he forgot his mask, realises you probably ID'ed him very well (remember, you were pointing out how you'd be observing every detail, that's often a fairly noticable behaviour), (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —James Brown

(...) As (...) Subject to circumstances, obviously. (...) And anyone who invades my home, without a mask, without having the minimal intelligence necessary to check if there is anyone home first, is not at the top of the food chain. I am confident (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss

(...) You don't need a gun for that -- no invader could ever *find* them. ;) Steve (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —John Neal

(...) Unless they checked in his bed--(he sleeps with them ) (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley

(...) Ah, so there we have it. Canada. Now I understand. You guys have what, 2, maybe 3 people per square mile up there? Not enough people in one area to stir up the kind of trouble we have to deal with down here. :) (25 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)