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Re: Skin (was: Re: Once again, etc.)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Thu, 5 Feb 2004 04:17:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> > <snip>
> > And don't get me started on the marriage thing.  Marriage is NOT a
> > right.  It's a construct invented by organized religion and supported
> > by the government, ostensibly to provide some stability for children
> > in order to safeguard our future.  Demonstrate an equivalent benefit
> > to society when it's extended to gay couples.  Maybe someday, when
> > biotech obliterates the difference between male and female...
> 
> I agree in the sense the government recognized marriage is useless.  Marriage in
> the sense of 2 people deciding to spend the rest of their lives together and
> possibly raise offspring is fine.

With adoption, artificial insemination, host mothers, etc, it's hard to make the
argument that "gay marriages can't produce progeny" a meaningful argument any
more, in my view.

Where I think we still have work to do is on the number... why limit marriage to
just 2 partners?

Marriage, in the sense of it being a contract among people, strikes me as a
right. But then I see the ability for people of sound mind to enter into free
associations (or not enter, as they choose) to be a right, and any restriction
of the right to form contracts by the state as an infringement.



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  Re: Skin (was: Re: Once again, etc.)
 
(...) I agree. Orion is almost implying that infertile individuals should not marry. ;) (...) You've not met my wife. ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Skin (was: Re: Once again, etc.)
 
(...) I read your post after I posted my reply to Orion, but I think we're almost on the same page here. I guess the difference is that I see the ongoing hacks to the marriage laws as doing more harm than good. However, we are rapidly approaching (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Skin (was: Re: Once again, etc.)
 
(...) I agree in the sense the government recognized marriage is useless. Marriage in the sense of 2 people deciding to spend the rest of their lives together and possibly raise offspring is fine. -Orion (23 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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