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Re: Once again, even with all our problems, Canada--a great place to live...
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Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:55:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/sa.html
Ahh Canada, where you can walk around topless,
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I’m curious. What do you think about the concept of “decency”?
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But why would I personally deny someone else from doing what they think makes
them happy?
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So you would be okay with a law that permitted, say, fornication or masterbation
in public places?
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There are laws of the land. Those laws shold be there to protect one
individiual from the actions (or inactions, whatever the case may be) of
another individual. If Joe Blow is smoking weed in his thatched cottage in
the Muskokas, how does that impact me on any level at all. Now if he gets
high and hops in a car and kills or injures me, that’s a completely differnet
story.
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I’m fine with the stuff people do in private-- we are talking about public
behavior here.
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of the land. That goes against the very nature of the law. Allowing gay
people to marry will npot make more people gay, nor will it lead to some
slippery slope where all of a sudden people will legally be able to marry
their dog, or a teenage kid. Consenting adults, see. Consenting, rational,
law abiding adults, who also work within the same legal structure that I
do--why should they be in a more disadvantageous position according to the law
than me?
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Ah, so a brother and sister, or two brothers who decide to marry for convenience
is okay with you?
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Freedom without respect and responsibility is meaningless.
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Nowhere in any of my posts did I even remotely infer this. Clarify please. I
have a wit that may not come across sometimes in posting, but I would never
think this.
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It is my assertion. Somebody (Talking JJ and “righty”;-) who willingly (hmmm,
why the pastie?) and knowingly (live TV) violates public decency laws and is
basically snubbing their nose at society.
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As an aside, in Europe you probably couldn’t go a block without seeing some
marquee or billboard without seeing an advert with a topless model selling
something... what is it about North America?
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Maybe the question is “what is it about Europe?”
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It was a breast! And it, so I’m
told, for I didn’t TiVo it and do a frame by frame peek-see, had a ‘pastie’
over the nipple!!
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You obviously don’t have kids and are trying to raise them to become decent
people.
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And you obviously didn’t turn off the half time show for the first 20 minutes
when the ‘artists’ were grinding against one another and grabbing their
crotches repeatedly, so when the coverend nipple sprung out, that was the bad
thing?
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Wrong. We ate dinner during the half-time show and we (thankfully) missed the
whole thing (Of course I knew that the half-time show was being produced by MTV
so the plan to deliberately miss it was long in place). Found out about it that
night on the internet.
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It was quite well advertised that MTV was going to run the show. The viewers
were forewarned just by that. From many other newsgroups I’ve read that
people knew beforehand that it was going to be a waste of time and watched
somethign else during the 1/2 time break.
“I don’t like Donny Denton either.. you know what I do? I turn the radio
off.”
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Who’s he?
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Don’t go looking to MTV to instill morals and decency into your kids.
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lol The very antithesis of morality and decency!
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DOnt’
look to the NFL to do so, either. There are sports heros like Wayne Gretzky
and the like who any child can look up to, but for every Wayne there is a
(whatever, insert bad-boy sports figure here ‘cause I dont’ follow too many
sports that closely)
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Hold on for a second right there! There is only ONE superstar sport hero who
ever lived up to being a model for anyone to follow and that’s Wayne Gretzky
(whom I hold, aside from being a HUGE fan, in the HIGHEST regard as a person
and the most amazing athlete in team sports history). “For every Wayne Gretzky
there is a....“???? There is only ONE Wayne Gretzky and everyone else pales
in comparison. Okay, done with my Gretzky rant. I’ll tell you that if I ever
won the lottery (I here you need to play in order to win however...), the first
thing I’d do before becoming a philantropist is attend Gretzky’s Fantasty
Camp:-)
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It comes down to you, the parent, to instill what you consider decent values,
and morals, into your children. I think my parents did a pretty good job with
me. They also gave me the freedom to learn things on my own, and to make my
own mistakes. My folks showed me that no matter how bad somehting is, there
is a redeeming value somewhere, and that people should be treated with the
respect and consideration that one would expect for oneself. (they taught me
many other things but that’ll fill a server of, like hundreds of gigabytes...)
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Holy great mother of Teetsville!!! The uproar! The furor!!
Eh, whatever...
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Of course you are an adult and can handle such inanities-- try to think
beyond your self for answers.
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It was inane. There was *no nipple!!!!!* For the quick flash of skin, you
get more watching an ‘oil of olay’ commercial! They have Seinfeld episodes on
at 5 p.m. when Georges mom’s in the hospital and the nurses are giving that
sponge bath behind the curtain... Oh My Goodness!! Yes Janet Jackson’s
flashing of her breast was inane. The entire half time show was inane
(whatever happened to marching bands and the like?) But the cheerleaders
during the game were more sexually provocative than Justin and Janet. Yet
nothing on that.
If that show happened in *any* other country, this wouldn’t even have been a
blip.
My decision not to have kids is mine alone. I may face my maker someday to
justify that but actions have consequenses and I’ve accepted that. I
am really not trying to say this (struggle).... but the sheer arrogance and
hypocricy of that line...
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You are taking my statement too personally. I was by no means indicting you
about the decisions you’ve made in your life! What I meant was that, sure, the
half-time show was nothing for mature adults. You are a single mature adult,
and your perspective is that it was innocuous to you. Fine. What I was
asking you to do was to imagine yourself a parent watching the game with your 8
year old son or daughter. You would not be happy. And all of those other TV
examples you listed-- yeah, they are ALL inappropriate for children. TV has
become completely inappropriate for children to watch (and yet the amount of TV
watched by children is at an all-time high!) And I am not even talking about
cable!!! Our children are being prematurely sexualized by exposure to
inappropriate (for minors) subject matter and I believe it is having damaging
consequences to our culture.
But people seem to think that it is fine to expose 7 year olds to sexually
explicit content matter. I don’t.
JOHN
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| (...) Well then that's a differnet kettle of fish, isn't it? Sex, in mono-or partner form, is different than, well, what we're talking about here. There are laws about being 'sexual' in public, which falls outside the purview of the laws we're (...) (20 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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