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Re: Corporal punishment (was rah rah, canada!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:48:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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P.S. As usual, I disagree with everything John Neal asserts, openly or
through implication
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Careful there, Chris... he’s been seen going around asserting that the sun
rises in the east again.
er, oops. Nevermind.
:-)
Now, a bit more on track, we’re not much on hitting our kids, and we didn’t,
much, especially now that both of them are in double digits, it’s no longer
appropriate at all, but I’m not totally following why *all* corporal
punishment, in any form whatever, is bad.
We have horses. Is it ok to smack one on the rump to get it to move sideways
when it’s in crossties and another horse needs to get by and it’s hogging
the aisleway by standing diagonally?
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You can’t reason with a horse.
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You can, however, teach a horse.
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That’s a way of getting its attention. The smack leaves no lasting mark, and
it does affect the move.
We have cats. Is it ok to squirt one with a water bottle when it sharpens
its claws on our leather sofa instead of the scratching post after it has
been repeatedly admonished not to do that?
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You can’t reason with a cat.
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You can, however, teach a cat
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That’s a way of getting its attention. The squirt leaves no lasting mark,
and it does affect the change in behaviour.
So if my child, say age 5,
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You can reason with a child.
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A 5 year old, as Larry mentioned, throwing a tantrum, as far as my personal
experience goes, is pretty much unreasonable, and will either stop the tantrum
when a) energy’s expended or b) brought up short when something catches his or
her attention. Again, whack across the face = bad, swat on the heinie maybe not
so bad in the situation.
Violence doens’t have to be physical. So where do you draw the line on the
other ‘realms’ of violence--locking the kid in their room for 2 years isn’t
physical violence directly against the kid, but it’s still pretty much wrong,
imo. But time outs? Maybe some child studies professor sometime down the road,
a la Dr. Spock, will show that this method can cause ‘irrepairable harm’ to the
psyche of the person. So then what?
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Parenthood can be very difficult. However, I can’t see how resorting to
violence will give a parent anything other than short-term gain and long-term
guilt.
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Again, stop with the violence.
We’re not talking about violence, and violence comes in many forms, none of
which we are discussing right now.
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Generally, violence is very seldom the answer to any problem.
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Agreed, but I do believe in a ‘Just’ war (another topic :) )
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Scott A (who made the mistake of putting “spanking” into a search engine)
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is screaming and throwing a tantrum in a public place
for no good reason and it’s not feasible to remove him from the situation
but the screaming HAS to stop (stipulate that for the sake of the argument)
is a slap or a splash of water not an acceptable way of getting attention to
the point where the message to discontinue the bad behaviour will be
received?
Horses and cats are chattel. Children are not. But they are, nevertheless,
our wards. Disallowing ALL corporal punishment seems to take a communication
device away from parents.
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As an aside, I was being my usual flamboyant self when I wrote the original
post--it wasn’t “Rah Rah Canada!!!” it was more, “eh, neat stuff coming out of
this neck of the woods...”
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Dave K
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| (...) One can produce a conditioned response if that is what you mean. I'm not sure the horse (or cat) has understood much else? (...) I, and many others, manage by doing neither. How do you explain that? My kids understand they will not benefit (...) (21 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) You can't reason with a horse. (...) You can't reason with a cat. (...) You can reason with a child. Parenthood can be very difficult. However, I can't see how resorting to violence will give a parent anything other than short-term gain and (...) (21 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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