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The original post: (URL) Notes--hockey player dad sues league for not awarding his son MVP. The story continues, getting better: (URL) the league has suspended hockey player and dad from hockey events. Hmmm... What will happen now? I await with (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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American Incompotent Justice System (URL) K. (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you been watching war movies again? ;) This is what Ambrose had to say about the D-Day campaign [a/the key WW2 campaign]: ==+== That a cross-Channel attack against the Atlantic Wall could even be contemplated was a tribute to what Dwight (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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UK Perspective on US elections Both from yesterday's Guardian: The rescue parties (URL) with a choice between two ugly parties, the electorate, quite rationally, stayed at home. In the US, as in Britain, young voters have all but abandoned party (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I really do love living in the UK Israelis fear war crimes arrests (URL) Israeli government has ordered an urgent assessment of whether its politicians and soldiers could face arrest and trial for war crimes while travelling abroad. The move (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) I expect the cost would have been high, but worth paying. (...) Others have already. But if it matters to you, feel free to disprove it. (...) I think it is every bit as relevant as WW1. The USA continues to make bad decisions – (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not "anti-American", I'm pro-justice. Understand the difference. Scott A (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all. Blacks *did* have serious civil rights issues. Most of the country has been able to get beyond simple racism. Today many blacks face many social and economic problems (as does everyone else!)-- but to continually blame racism is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? Why are millions well (...) You choose to dodge my question, so I'll ignore yours for the moment. Are you claiming that blacks haven't been put into a difficult position in the first place due to factors mentioned above? You may ask (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Are* all blacks in the "less money" hole? Why not? Why are millions well off, dispite all of the things you mentioned? I am not trying to sweep all of those things under the rug; I am calling for people who use such arguments as excuses to (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How did blacks get into the "less money" hole? Are you honestly trying to sweep slavery, racism, Jim Crow laws, blocking of access to education, discrimination in the workplace under the rug? If you pretend that this didn't happen, then you (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) nothing (...) "neither", (...) here. Thanks for not going there again. (...) Where did I mention muslims? ROSCO (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Islam is not "Believe or die", nor it ever was. Neither was Christianity. Yet, both religions were used as pretexts by loonies - that is inevitable! (...) I have a hard time believing Allah wrote the Khoran. Somehow I tend to follow a more (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd argue the "true but irrelavant" charge. Ignore Europe, stomp Japan with all our resources (is anyone contesting we couldn't do it?) then deal with Germany. Japan only took so long because they were on the constant back-burner. It's a silly (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know that. I was referring to the use of the two bombs as part of a larger conflict - they were not a terrorist act themselves, IMHO. (...) It is not terrorism, but it is close. The name for it is "total war", a concept that was born in the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about US corporations preventing their laborors in the third world from unionizing? I'm sure they have had a hand in local politics as well. Didn't anyone see Zoolander (half joking). (...) Pittsburgh has largely cleaned itself up. Most (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but so what? Statistically, one group will *have* to make more than the other group-- what is the point? The point is that there are haves and havenots-- why introduce race into the equation? How does that ultimately matter? And what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you out of your mind again? Christianity and Christians are TO THIS DAY actively engaged in the banning and suppression of materials they find offensive or contradictory to the orthodoxy. Witness the disgusting efforts of Michael Behe & (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to get off-topic (well, this is the off-topic forum), but I am curious, what would the people making 10 cents a day make as income if U.S.ians didn't buy Nike shoes? Would they make nothing a day? Are there jobs in their countries that pay (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This statement should no have to be proved to such a keen observer of the world but since you asked. 1) I was reading about the island of Borneo the other day and the exploitation of the their rainforests to provide cheap lumber to Japan (a (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Dave, I agree with you that these affect the global environment, but you do they show exploitation of the developing world? -chris (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not the believe like us or die variety. That may be been en vogue 100s of years ago for Christianity, but Christianity grew out of those dark times, and continues to change with time (although the basic message is the same). Islam has no (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well considering the decision to drill in Alaska hasn't been made yet, and has failed every time so far that Congress has tried to pass it, I think you're jumping the gun on this one. I'd say that the U.S. is at worst split down the middle (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to speak for Scott, but I took his meaning as: If we do a poll, we will find out that the *majority* of black people make a lot less money and live in disadvantagious areas of the US than the *majority* of white people. Since you, (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hard at all--science. More specifics--space program, aeronautics, other stuff--yes the world benefitted from these things but specifically, the US--letting in German scientists and turning a blind eye to some atrocities during the war they (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you serious?? I have been *trying* to point out to you that, not only is such a spurious allogation not true, but *IT IS RACIST*. I never once made such a claim. Are you still beating your wife? -John (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but we got Dr. Who, Monty Python, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Young Ones. (...) The US benefitted in terms of the synthetic rubber industry, computer industry, aircraft manufacturing industry, and the certainly in terms of the advent of (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget Lend Lease (did we ever get any of the lends back?) (...) True but irrelevant. What matters is who would have won if we hadn't entered, and if you conclude the Allies would have (not a foregone conclusion by any means), at what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is much like if I say 'The Giants Win the Pennant!! The Giants win the pennant!!" but more apt--is the line the announcer said when the finishing blow in a famous boxing match was thrown--"Down goes Fraser!" = finishing blow = nail in coffin = (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You'll have to explain this colloquialism to me. Scott A (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Bingo. (...) Ouch! Truth. (...) Slam! Down goes Fraser! (...) And finally the punch that Ali never threw--Wow, new appreciation for Scott. (...) Wow! Scott hit the nail directly on the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not ignoring anything. GDP is the standard way of measuring it - under Agenda 21, the Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of GDP was set. Even when measured per head of population, the USA is still hitting below its (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I think that war is hell, and that when you're in a *war*, that it truly is an 'us and them' scenario. There is no denying that the 'politic', the 'intelligencia' and the 'people' have to be 'on-side' in order to fight and maintain a war (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Giving more in raw dollars and being lower as a percentage of GDP are not mutually exclusive if the GDPs are different, a fact being conveniently ignored by your detractors, John. This also omits private contributions, and the aid in kind for (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan during the second world war. US low level incendiary bomb raids started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the civillian population, which largely lived in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you are correct. I searched for the WHO rankings, but I had no luck. Although I did find this: (URL) makes no mention of Cuba, but it does tell us the WHO places the US system at number 38 [very average]. The rankings appear to be (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August '45. Terrorism is ETA in Spain, IRA in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More data: Country Foreign Aid % GDP Japan 0.28 France 0.55 Germany 0.31 USA 0.10 Netherlands 0.81 UK 0.28 Canada 0.38 These figures hide the fact that Isreal gets most of the aid from the USA. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is that... if America didn't revolt--taxation w/o representation and all that--how would the world be today? Though to be said--the xenophobic america who wouldn't enter a war until their collective face is slapped, also has to be looked (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tell you, the word "terrorism" gets so over/misused. The purpose of terrorism is to evoke fear in a GP for the purpose of swaying opinion. We dropped the bombs on Japan to bring about a quick end to the war (that *they* started BTW), not to (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, because we did the heavy lifting for you and GB realised that they could let you have your way peacefully, or keep a cork on things a bit longer and see you either revolt, or be annexed by us... Grin, duck, run (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidentily, no one was paying attention on how to successfully pull off a revolution. Wimps! :-) (...) Oh, alright, I don't particularly want to see Canada broken up either (Canadians are too darn peaceful - ya shoulda shot DeGaul when you had (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Pedro was right--Quebec did not want to 'bring the constitution home' for they could appeal to a highter authority than the Canadian Supreme court if they were denied something from the Supreme Court. The separatists wanted a higher (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herein lies the real problem. You hit it right on the head with that question, Rosco. I am somewhat in favor of blasting violent people with violent retaliation, but I do fear that to some extent such activity can breed future violence. Many (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, since I've publically stated I think their reasoning in WWII was nothing short of terrorism anyway (lets not go there again), I'd have to say "neither", especially with dubya at the helm. Here's another question: Do you think that (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David (no "!") understood what I was refering to - technically everything Canada did was supposed to be approved by the Queen until that last vestige of empire was officially expunged a couple of decades ago. I was embarrassed for my Canadian (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way are they *SPECIFICALLY* linked. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it was Québec, I am not a bit surprised. The Crown had assumed compromises to protect the french heritage of the province. Obviously, they would rather keep the privilege. (...) Was that clause used often, btw? (...) The Crown declared war. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Someone once said that America needed a revolution to become their own country--Canada just 'evolved' into our own, and not without a few snags ourself. PET (Pierre Trudeau) 'decides' to get our constitution over here from Britain--got 9 (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, they did not told the Queen to bugger off... because they did not have to; they got their own PM instead. Given that the Crown has little (if any) effective power, it is even better: getting independent whilst assuring a powerful (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) *If* I were to live in the USofA... (and that's a mighty big *if*)... I'd want to live in sunny SoCal... I love it when Craiggers does the "What's the weather like in Buffalo this (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Merican. Pronounce the "r" so far in the back of your throat that you have to swallow it. :-) Okay, so, America is difficult to swallow. You knew that. ;-) (...) I'd chalk that up on the silly side, and we have elections every year in any (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that Can'eh'dians have *more* freedom than Am'aaar'icans.. We have our elections when we want, not just specifically every 4 years--we choose, therefore more freedom. (well, the party in power chooses... but that's neither here nor (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, it is a fact. From oneworld.net: "America ranks last among all developed western nations in the amount of aid it provides foreign nations expressed as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP) about 0.08 percent, according to a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't think they are linked? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said "weapons". (...) Nope. (...) OK, Eisenhower was wrong. (...) The debate is about WOMD. (...) I'll blame the US for giving it to Iraq, and having poor bio-secuity. (...) Sure. (...) LOL (...) Check your tax bill. (...) Indeed. I'll have (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the "dingus" part of the thread it isn't important to make sense, have a coherent line of argument, or even stick to a singular theory as to why anything should happen. What *is important* is to merely bully your opinion over on people (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the economics are driven by race and an undercurrent of societal racism (not in every single person, but as a demonstrable trend in cultural character), then the economics are a symptom of the underlying racism. The fact that you, along (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was thinking in terms of nuclear accidents-- part of the responsibility for utilizing nuclear technology is controlling it. And what of nuclear waste? Somehow I think the USSR didn't care as much for the environment as we did in this regard. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And for the third time, I assert that you are speaking about economics, not race. But you have managed to bury my original objection to your initial post with a barrage of obfuscation. Well done. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More of them have the "freedom" to go on holiday in Edinburgh [Scotland] than do non-whites. ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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found this interesting link (URL) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but don't think that those nations are being singled out; much of the US population is living at Third World levels, and they don't get any help from the US-at-large, either. Dave! (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c /literary/literally/ (...) That's my guess... (if world class == "average" or even "median") (...) Apparently we're offering some as we speak. (URL) see all of them so far: (URL) and go through the calendar to choose them...) I know, I know, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As did the USA, France and the UK. So why is the USSR worse than the USA? (...) You are being obtuse again. (...) All that's debateble. General Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) B as in B, S as in S. The US government gives more in raw dollars than anyone (hardly "dire"), and that doesn't even count *private* giving... -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You: I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". Well, what are they? -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, this is pure dogma. Read the text again. (...) 1) Who has been stopping companies investing in Cuba? 2) The USA has a dire record in offering development and humanitarian aid to developing countries [~1.25 dollars per U.S. citizen in (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never said there are "US laws that limit freedoms according to race". Did I? It is you who are squirming by avoiding the point - despite the fact that it has been made by more than just me. Shut-up or Put-up. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The USSR denotated plenty of nuclear bombs. Or did you mean killing people at the same time? Yeah, we dropped 2 nukes (tiny by today's standards), but reluctantly. Had we a cache of bombs we would most certainly have provided a little (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Squirm. Please provide examples if you can of US laws that limit freedoms according to race. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You literary make me laugh out loud. Scott, why do you suppose Cubans risk their lives almost daily to try and land on US shores? To escape world class healthcare and education?? You think Cuba is doing well, eh? Let's wait until Castro (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget Comrade Castro! Take a look at what communism provides for Cubans in terms of healthcare and education: (URL) years ago this system was being ridiculed everywhere. Now, the world is not so sure." Scott A (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Has it dropped "the bomb", has it used biological and chemical weapons the way the USA has? I think not. (...) Not quite right, but does the means justify the end? (...) No john, it's a fact. You know. I know it. It's a fact. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, You are being obtuse again. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now ask: Q: Whose reasoning for use of nuclear weapons do you trust more-- Iraq or the US? A: ? -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we won (the fight with the *former* USSR), but still wage the battle. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Please tell me that you are kidding here, because if you aren't, you are a looney. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you inferred wrongly. They have the same "freedoms" everyone else has. There is one law for everyone. (...) Give me an example of an American law that grants whites more freedoms than blacks. (...) Sounds like an economic issue to me as (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are winning. It ain't over yet. There are still the PDRK and PRC to deal with... (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The former USSR. (...) You go, spin doctor. The cold war was a battle of idealogies-- Communism vs Capitalism. We won. As far as Israel goes, that is your POV and not fact; we just see things differently. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A judicial branch that is beholden to the son of an ex-president doesn't seem like much of a check and balance, but in theory.... (...) I thought the X-Files was cancelled? (...) Wrong Texan (not that I'd count Mr. Preppy as a real Texan). (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting question / answer session: Q: Does Iraq have nuclear weapons capability? A: Probably (or close anyway), but not enough information. Q: Assuming they do, would they be prepared to use it in a war if they thought it justified? A: (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Total crap -- it would be true in a constitutional or purely theoretical system; alas, we have only the government that has been left to us. Plus, you act as if everything going on is above board, and it is fairly obvious that much goes on (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So who trained OBL? Who funded terrorists in central America? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that was self-evident. I read a quote the other day which I liked. It's from Ted Turner: "If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect." Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, "responsible" is not the word I would use - name me a country that has a worse record with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? In the cold war, the USA [and others] tried to destabilise many nations. Today, the USA funds human (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is anacdotal, but the EU countries spend more of thier GDP on education, and have higher adult literacy than the USA. At best, US school spending is average. Scott A (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". That view is not "class warfare". That view is not “racism”. It’s a fact. When I was in Seattle a couple of months ago I notices 2 things: 1. Beggars tended to be black [and there was a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is why our Founding Fathers created a government of checks and balances. Our executive branch has no such thing and absolute power. A nice aphorism, but not germane. But I will hold the example our world dominance today up against any (...) (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's the problem now, isn't it? There *are* those in this world who can't just live and let live. If we don't subscribe to their particular POV, then we must be killed. There isn't much room for compromise there. And BTW, those who nit (...) (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you'd care to prove the correlation between "more money spent on education" and "better education"? It hasn't held up too well under close examination so far. BTW, welcome to .debate! (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Perhaps you should remember this and then start to worry about how much power your president has. (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only suppose you don't know the answer to this or you would have never posed the question. The white. Oh, it's not as bad as it was during the sixties, but since the people in charge of hiring are still overwhelmingly white males, that's (...) (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps instead of spending so much money on fighting a war, the ruling party over there in the USA should spend some more money on education so that you could learn the difference between your and you're. Maybe if there wasn't so much pig (...) (23 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somehow DWB has become the example here, which wasn't the initial assertion. Initially, Scott asserted that success in America is somehow assured if your skin color was a particular shade. DWB is an issue of profiling, to which I have mixed (...) (23 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way *specifically* does it help to be white? I would say that, all things being equal, it *hurts* to be white. In PC corporate America, if you had 2 applicants for a job, both equal in all ways but 1 black and 1 white, whom do you (...) (23 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my knowledge of WWII history isn't as solid as it could be, so instead I was referring to: "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomor'rah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; and he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (whoops) Skate, yes. As easily? No. DWB *is* a real problem whether you admit it or not. (23 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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