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Re: Debunk this?
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Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:07:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Arnon writes:
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> > So I'll have to ask again, do YOU think Israel is a terrorist organization?
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> Truly, I don't know. There are issues with satisfactorily defining the notion
> of terrorism and there is the fact that I don't know what all goes on between
> Isreal and Palestine.
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> From American Heritage:
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> > ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
> > n.
> > The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a
> > person or an organized group against people or property with
> > the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or
> > governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
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> The insertion of "unlawful" into the definition seems like kind of a cop-out.
> So to remove the whole tangle of what lawful means among nations, I'll say • that
> I agree with the definition sans that one word.
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> Now, does Israel use force or violence with the intention of coercing • societies
> or governments? Sure they do. And so does the US. And so do the
> Palestinians. Are we all members of terrorist organizations? It seems a
> little funny to think of it that way, but maybe it would do us well to • actually
> think it through.
If what you are saying here is that all the countries [1] in the world are
terrorist organizations then I think you should find a new definition.
If you think that Israel somehow stands out of the rest of the countries,
please say what makes it different in your opinion to justify the title of "a
terrorist organization".
> Basically there's a bunch of badness out there and most of us support that
> badness in one or many ways. Why?
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> Are you so blindly loyal to your nation that you can't see the Palestinians • who
> are in terror on the evening news? Who is terrorizing them? And can't you • see
> that even the ones who fold their fear and desperation into stolid anger and
> act with violence against your country are the result of that terror and of
> feeling cheated? Y'all need a middleast love-fest or something.
:-)
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> What, in your opinion, clears your government from the category of 'terrorist
> organization?'
Basicly, that it doesn't kill innocent civilians on purpose.
> Chris
- David
[1] well, at least the ones that are in some kind of conflict.
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| (...) Well, that's what I meant by it seems a little funny. (...) I must grapple with the wrongs perpetrated by my own nation. My interest in Israel as a potential "terrorist organization" comes mainly from the fact that my nation has strong ties (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Hello David, (...) One, that makes us (you, me, the US, Israel, ... pick whoever you like best) the good guys? Good idea, that's what we usually do in such cases ... we create a reality distortion field. BTW, I don't see this definition makes ALL (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Truly, I don't know. There are issues with satisfactorily defining the notion of terrorism and there is the fact that I don't know what all goes on between Isreal and Palestine. From American Heritage: (...) The insertion of "unlawful" into (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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