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Re: Debunk this?
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Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:42:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Arnon writes:
> > Oh, I see that now.
> > I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I've come to expect such remarks from Dan.
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> Okay, tell me how the Palestinians left their homes and villages after 1948?
> Willingly? Perhaps you should learn more about how Israel REALLY came to be.
I guess you mean during the 1948 war,
1) This isn't different than what is happening now in Afghanistan.
People left their homes in fear of the coming war.
1.25 million Israeli Arabs now living in Israel are the ones who didn't run.
2) You are talking about something that happened 53 years ago. It's like saying
the US is a terrorist organization because of Vietnam or UK because of the Zulu
wars (and so on)
> And you should recognize the long list of terrorists (by America's very own
> definition) that have occupied all levels of the Israeli leadership. The
> Zionists cannot hide the truth forever by making up more lies and
> downplaying Israeli atrocities throughout the decades. If a terrorist
> organization is defined by the acts of the leadership, then the shoe aptly
> fits the Israeli government.
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> Dan
While Israel is by no means perfect and has done many things during the last 53
years that I disagree with, I think it's pretty obvious who's doing more lying
and downplaying these days.
By "terrorists that have occupied all levels of the Israeli leadership" I guess
you mean people like Yizhak Shamir and Menahem Begin who were heads of militant
organizations before the state of Israel was born.
First of all, I agree that 53 years ago they were terrorists.
BUT,
1) that was 53 years ago.
2) they changed their ways once Israel was born and forsaken their old ways.
(Menahem Begin signed the peace treaty with Egypt and gave the entire Sinay
desert back to Egypt)
3) they have no relation to the current government, and had no relation for at
least 10 years.
4) even 53 years ago they were fighting against an army that came from England
to occupy Israel - and was thousand of miles away from his homeland.
5) At NO point they were engaged in Kamikaze killing of dozens of innocent
children!
- David
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| David: You seem to be pretty selective about what you are willing to comment on. For some information that flies in the face of your assertions about modern day Israel, please see: (URL) don't know the reputation of The Times, but the article (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) How long must a group of people have stopped supporting or engaging in terrorism for us to acknowledge that they are not (any longer) a terrorist organization? I'm not at all targetting Israel with this. Factions of the IRA evolved away from (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) No, it's been an ongoing thing. And with lot's of variety: assassinations, air raids, rocket attacks, helicopter attacks, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, napalm, etc. (...) 100% pure BS and what a way to twist information! Since you admitted (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Debunk this?
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| Hello David, (...) Why is it so important who does MORE of it? You can probably argue (and kill more people) about that forever ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Okay, tell me how the Palestinians left their homes and villages after 1948? Willingly? Perhaps you should learn more about how Israel REALLY came to be. And you should recognize the long list of terrorists (by America's very own definition) (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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