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(...) I won't bite, cause I agree... I also seem to recall (though I have no proof, someone?) that it's LESS radioactive than coal! :P how's that for bait? Dan (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's Bruce again with his faulty logic! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, it's not just the icecaps--it'll rain a lot more, too! 8^) (...) Not to blast Shiri, but in an effort to be fair to those teachers, perhaps the lesson was that the area was covered by seawater, but it was due to the fact that the (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Reason number one being that burning hydrocarbons is a huge waste of precious chemical feedstocks... the stocks used to make ABS, for example. Every mile you drive is a brick not made, or something like that. :-) ...and number two being that (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) feet (...) That entirely depends on the geology of the local area - it could be sea level changes or it could be the land itself varying due to tectonic activity (trust a Californian to think along these lines). Bruce (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes: I give on the icecaps, ok? If they all melt at once, we're all going wading. You still have to show that they're all going to melt, though. Won't take much, a few degrees higher average temp should do (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is enough to cover most of the coastal cities all over the world. (...) Well, I don't know exactly how many years. (...) I don't believe everything I read, no. I do believe researches that are well based on facts, yes. (...) Me too. (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jeff is correct. See my last post(5623). For general information- scientists measure the amount of ice on the planet at a given time by looking at oxygen isotope ratio in deepsea sediment cores. ^16-O is selectively stored in ice over the (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) well, i didn't do the math but some other researchers have: (URL) maximum sea-level rise from the complete melting of these bodies of ice would be about 264 feet- that's about flooding times 13 by your definition above. There has be a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's why I put the "might" up there. We are in agreement. (...) That's why I said we need to search out alternatives before we are faced with such a choice. But then again, I'm sick of the Florida Hurricanes winning the NCAA title all the (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The panderer's the one with the fundraising problems, while the idiot is the one with the misperceptions regarding social issues. Does that clear it up? 8^) Dave! followups to OT-Fun (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure (well, as sure as I can be with no real evidence, so take this to mean that it seems exremely likely) that sexuality is controlled both by genetic and environmental factors. I guess the way I named the "weak abstinence gene" it (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Should? (...) Uh? increased funding of anything requires more money...right? So the money either comes from increased revenues (taxes) or by taking it from other government programs. Where do you think it should come from? (...) of (...) (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a good point that hasn't been discussed much here. The likelihood of progress should go into the cost-benefit analysis. OTOH, if the techniques developped for Polio worked for HIV, it'd be under control by now, right? Since that's not (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could just say something like "so, I don't care about people in the other parts of the world." But that would make me heartless. Let me revise what I said to be limited to those in the US. I'd wager that even those in the US going to (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IF changing them will make a difference, and IF it's worth the price. I'd vote for letting Florida flood, if it came to that, before I voted to give up electricity and antibiotics. When thinking about the global climate engine and our impact I (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We're veering around, I think Mike and Ed and I are sparring about the US, where it's pretty hard to ignore the truth about how to catch it at this point, it being common knowledge. There may be remote parts of the world that haven't figured (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a (...) Half or so of Australia was under water at one point. Admittedly, Australia is pretty darn flat. I'd also be pretty nervous about the long-term land prices in Florida. The geologic record is pretty clear that major flooding happens. (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a (...) Au Contraire: "If larger ice sheets begin to recede, sea level could rise rapidly and dramatically. The most vulnerable ice sheet is the marine-based West Antarctic Ice Sheet which contains enough water locked up as ice to raise global (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am genuinely curious: How can you be so sure that everyone in the world knows about this? Have you seen a report that stated every school district in the world teaches safe sex? And even if they do, what about private/religious schools, or (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry, Ed, but I graduated from high school in 1988, that's 12 years ago. We knew then, in what you would probably call a backwater southern city (Nashville), that unprotected sex could end up killing you. So, imo and in my experience, (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ice (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ice (...) Oh please. Do the math. To me, "flooding" means a change in sea level of 20 feet or so. That's not going to happen. There isn't enough ice even if both icecaps melted down to nothing. The apocalyptic visions of the gloom and doom (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who says you've *been* debating? Not me. What you've been doing is ducking. Let's be perfectly clear, you've decided to dodge discussion on what the appropriate funding level for research is in our mixed economy because you're convinced that (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: [snip a bunch a debate bait] (...) Except that the incubation period for AIDS is 3-15 years. There are people who are only now discovering that they have AIDS. But I won't bother debating this with (...) (24 years ago, 10-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) have (...) Cite please. It's certainly not the number one cause of death, I think that's heart disease. (24 % of all deaths?? I can't recall) Further, it's not the number one disease either. I'd put the common cold at the top of the disease (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not getting into a "more of my friends died" contest. Mike was making the point that AIDS has only touched 1 person in his life and that he felt the diseases that touched the people in his life should receive funding before AIDS is funded. I (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! (...) Umm.. It's possible. There is certainaly variation in how people conduct their sexual lives, but I am not sure if that is genetically or socially induced. Maybe a little of both. So where does the 'weak abstinance gene' arrise (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, thanks for passing moral judgement on my level of compassion based on my desire for fiscal responsibility. Aside from the fact that I could ask what qualifies you as one to set the level of acceptable compassion for human life (assuming (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, sure. I was mostly kidding, but that's cool! Good luck with grad school. (...) vector (...) organism (...) [snip a tentative agreement to the first half of my conjecture] (...) I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that it's (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think that counts. If the government believed that 'our fellow man' was a vital interest, things would be very different. Since they aren't, then it must not be so. (...) Nah. I'm no economist, but I bet we'd go on fine after hitting (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, the virus does mutate. the mutation rate for the genes that code for the protein coat is about 15%/8 years. Compare this to the divergence rate in almost any gene between a person and a chimpanzee which is about 2%/several million years. (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And maybe even that their thesis is just plain incorrect? If they claimed that sometimes standardized tests are misused, and then set about to demonstrate, they would be on much firmer ground. (...) I don't know the PLAN at all. I don't recall (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it does: Our Fellow Man. (...) Actually, it would probably heavily damage our economy. (...) While true, it is rather hard to say just what would happen when a country destabilized. Therefore, it is better to be safe than sorry. (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And by saying you don't want our government to spend added money on finding a cure for a disease that is infecting millions of people in another country, it shows you don't hold nearly as much compassion for human life as you should. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We're not the worlds policeman. While the destabilization of, for example, Liberia, may be quite saddening to watch, it's not going to have a long term large impact on us. There is nothing that Liberia has that is a vital interest to us. The (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I work for the US Geological Survey's Climate History Team. I would say that we our research is respectable and legitimate. I have never seen a case of 'junk science' in my two years of employ here. For a look at our research visit: (URL) do (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me = B.S. Ecology and Evolution specializing in quantitative genetics and population genetics. I start grad school in the fall working on population ecology and conservation genetics. Is that close enough? (...) Maybe... When a population that (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure, but I suspect everyone doing research is in one camp or the other. Myself I'm on the "it's part of the cyclical nature of climate" side of the fence, I tend to suspect that we're still in the "emerging from the little Ice Age" (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Explain please. Jeff (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ummm.... try reading this: (URL) especially the first sentance. also (URL) you mean that the world is 'warming quickly' as opposed to 'slowly warming', I will have to disagree with you. The earth is still in rebound from the last ice age. It (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty much everything I’ve read or seen indicates that scientists generally agree we are in a warming trend, but those scientists don’t agree on the ultimate effects of that warming. For that matter, they don’t even agree whether it’s a (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) data (...) Everything I have read lately has been confirming that the world is indeed slowly warming (currently). Whether this is a natural phenomenon or not seems to be much more under debate. I'll ask my best personal source his opinions (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) still (...) And that's unfortunate indeed. But I don't think Mike was trying to get into a "more of my friends died" contest, merely trying to show that he has some familiarity with the pain and suffering the disease causes back when you were (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Not in the general case it isn't. Sorry about that. ++Lar (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was a rhetorical question, of course. You know I know who said it and I know you know I know. :-) ++lar (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Fortunately, ours isn't (slowly warming). At least that's what the data indicate when not interpreted by "junk science" advocates. (...) THIS one, now this one is something to worry about. Keep messing with the drug company profit (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hypothetically speaking, of course. And hypothetically, I agree. In the specific case, I disagree. the virus is too hard to transmit for it to become a plague. I wouldn't even call it an epidemic, much less a pandemic. Now, if the virus (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an awfully tall order, considering that we have billions of years of instinctual programming to overcome. (...) I.E. The Ugly and Unpopular will inherit the earth... ;) Jeff (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure - is that a straw man or a red herring? But I'll comment on it anyway. People don't choose to get old. People choose to have unprotected sex, of whatever kind. People choose to share needles. Is there another major way that people (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How fortunate for you. I can think of 25 off the top of my head, but in actuality, its more like 75 that I personally knew. Of the first friends (20+) we made when we moved to NYC in 1982, there are four - FOUR - of us still alive. (...) I (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The destablization of countries not a threat to US National Security? The loss of a quarter of a country's workforce would destroy its economy. This could damage the economy of neighboring countries or those that back them financially. With (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and (...) Thomas Jefferson said it in his innaugural address in 1801. (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In Australia, the number of newly infected has actually levelled out. Not sure if it was the education campaign that was aimed at the general population on prime-time TV here in the mid-eighties. (...) vector (...) organism (...) There are (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then, (...) will (...) A logical argument to Larry's point. Plagues have a habit of overthrowing society. It's also a real possibility, of course, though not necessarily a probable one. Certainly not probable on a large enough scale to pose a (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you suggesting this as a real possibility, or as a logical argument to Larry's point? Chris (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are there any population ecologists out there? Could it be that when there gets to be too many of a given organism in a localle, and predation isn't taking care of it, diseases become a likely vector for population control. Maybe (if AIDS (...) (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless, of course, widespread plague causes civilization to break down. Then, the ones who listen to the education *and* successfully dodge the bullets will survive. Witness what happened to the Jews during the Black Plague. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 9-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean something like "honest friendship with all who seek it, entangling alliances with none"? Now, who said that? ++Lar (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The ones who listen to the education and change their habits will live and those who don't won't. Heartlessly simple, but then, that's evolution in action for you... It will only take a few generations. In geological time, that's "shortly". (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Several things are concurrently happening. Some of them are dying. Such an alarming number of them are sick, that their broken social system that has thus far not provided a socially acceptable method of teaching basic health and safty topic (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I should have added to my post(s) that I do not support the giving/using of life-prolonging drugs that would result in the situation Tom just described above. (thought about when i started to write and promptly forgot about it :/ ). (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why does my own priorities about how my tax money should be spent have to do with whether or not I "care" about those people? Do I think its too bad that that many people get AIDS and will more than likely die from it? Yeah, I do. I also think (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How can you say how much I care or not? I didn't address my personal caring for those people, I made a statement about how they rate in my priority system when I'm thinking about how I'd like for my government to spend the money it takes from (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What leads you to think that? The infected people are not all dying very soon. Some (many) of them do not know they are infected, and many of them do not know how to prevent transmitting HIV. They will continue to pass it on, and probably for (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) heard (...) As I understand it, infection by the father isn't transmitted via conception at all. And, for reasons somewhat unknown, HIV infected mothers frequently produce babies without infection. So, your premis isn't correct. (...) But even (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is somewhat rambling, but here goes... (...) But it doesn't HAVE to go on - all you have to do is force the damned idea through their heads that SEX (and sharing needles) CAN KILL, so either stay monogamous, or use condoms, or just use your own (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, now wait just a minute. The US a CAUSE, simply because "action" (i.e. public money used to help develop drugs that the Private drug companies are profiting from) wasn't taken fast enough? Think that statement through a bit more. Africa (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) how do you figure? i think a 25% infection rate with all offspring produced after infection of the parent being affected would set some alarms off for the possibility of a local extinction. Especially if you figure that the infection rate has (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what you are saying is that you don't care that 250,000(1) people around the world get infected by HIV/AIDS every month? What makes you think that what goes on in other less developed parts of the world will not affect the USA? This is a (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. We'll hear about it on the news. Chris (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am apalled by this heartless attitude. How can you care so little for people who are suffering, just because they don't live in your country? The countries suffering the hardest can't afford to do medical research, and many of them are (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) in (...) First, I agree with Mike's post to a large extent. On the other hand, if we're to guide those nations into being good customer states, this might be a good investment. But my real point is that I've read that international healthcare (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) countries. (...) Maybe I used the term special interest incorrectly. I think of a special interest as being any sub-group of the population who wants public monies distributed in a certain way such that it will specifically help their sub (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not ignoring it. I just don't (personally) think they figure into my own "how should the government that is funded by MY tax dollars spend my money" equation, at least not more prominently than those "in need" in the US. Which, of course, (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just my own $.02, the scrupulous ones are the ones who quit. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) None of these diseases have infected, and will kill, a quarter of the people in many African countries. Why is almost everyone ignoring this fact? These people are the reason we should try to find a cure. I doubt many of them have access to (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think- but I'm not sure- that it might include delivery confirmation. I know that I was sending something to someone overseas and wanted that feature, but it was so much more expensive than the regulr 60 cent airmail stamp that I decided to (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Kevin Wilson" <kwilson_tccs@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:3916E05F.6E1CE3...rve.com... (...) include (...) country. (...) I get these too, and I'm in Scotland. For me most buyers use 66c or $1 stamps. I few people just seem to use some (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hehe you too, eh! All my "win notifications" include that reminder too. A surprising number of letters with only 33c on them did get here, but there were always a few which didn't. Kevin (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I will throw my 2 cents in on this, in regards to a purchase (non lego, it was a set of MSDN cds) from ebay. I bidded on it and then after I had bidI noticed the fine print: wont ship out of us. I emailed the guy saying that I had bid and then (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kevin Wilson <kwilson_tccs@compuserve.com> wrote in article <39164BAB.D5FA4312@c...ve.com>... (...) home (...) :) (...) Hi Kevin, Yes my bank cashed the USPS money order with no fuss, but they just as easily could have refused it. I was really just (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course our Opposition at the moment say they won't remove it, so I guess it's in for good. The current government won the last election on the back of this tax, but it's actually hard finding people willing to say they voted for it. Tax (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some time around the early 90s IIRC. The rate has stayed the same as it was originally, despite a lot of doom and gloom at the time it was introduced that the goverment would inevitably increase the rate. OTOH, the out-of-power party at the (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Parse error alert: "they" has an ambiguous antecedent. Parents or Montessori? (arguably must be Montessori, since the method can't speak to parent level of abuse, so you can't say it's not part of the method) (...) If I could afford it, I (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: [regarding Montessori] (...) I did Montessori as a kid. I discovered that public school existed a few weeks after my first grade year started and begged my folks[1] to let me go there instead. They (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Meee tooooo! And thank goodness, I say. For if I had been able to figure out how to use those in reaction rate and heat transfer problems I would have gotten my Chemical Engineering degree instead of flagging P-Chem and taking up computers (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and (...) Maybe it's just a gut feeling we had, but we only went from 3.5 years to just before Kindergarten started in both cases. I think the value of Montessori lessens as the child ages, we saw it more as a booster to give our kids a (...) (24 years ago, 8-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello to any Canadians, A GST is due to be introduced in Australia in July this year. Fresh food is exempted (plus a few other things) and the rate is 10%. When was it introduced in Canada and when did the rate rise ? Have Canadians found the GST a (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ditto. Of course, the trouble with having exams etc come easy (relatively), is that at some point one reaches a subject or chunk of knowledge which requires you to WORK to understand it... andfor me at least, I'd never learned to. Took me (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm snipping here and there... (...) I wish the market would verify that. (...) problems (...) This last attribute is under-understood and under-emphasized in my opinion. I think the single most important thing that parents can do for their (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) better (...) to (...) Good call. These large multiple choice exams - the ones that the article and I are debating - are not meant as measures for individual classes. By the time I was in high school a decade after you, machine-graded tests had (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whew. That was a long post. Thoroughly enjoyable reading, it's always a joy to see a well written refutation that skewers something point by point. You have more patience than I do, I never could have stuck with that tripe all the way to the (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a side comment just on this part of your reply, Chris (I can't speak to the rest): I was interested by the fact that you referred to the standardised mutiple choice tests as "traditional tests". When I was in high school in the UK in the (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I hope you can read this, Chris! -Shiri (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry for the length of this folks, I so rarely get to use my Masters of Education ;-) (...) I think that whether one agrees or disagrees depends largely on what they think they are agreeing to. That page says a fair many things that are correct as (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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