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(...) I mentioned the OJ Simpson trial because my school shut down access to radio, cable, TV when the verdict was read. Maybe the missing piece of info was that the school didn't know what the verdict was going to be - I think they were expecting a (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The trial of the officers who beat Rodney King (I have no idea why you are referencing the O.J. Simpson trial) was such a farce that feds brought them up on federal charges (and ran a competent trial) as fast as they could. The riot ensued (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good point, and it highlites an omission I made. What I meant to say is that accounting to God is our only hope of remaining humble throughout life. Yes, life can get us down, but we are usually able to rise up and forget all that those (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure about that. If you get your butt seriously kicked by the world-at-large (through a spectacular failure or an overwhelming loss or a debilitating disease or whatever), then I'd say that you can get a pretty good grasp of what it (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think most cultures respect life a lot. It's just those extremists you're talking about that seem to have less respect for it. And I don't just mean terrorists. And if more people were content to put up with the inconvenience of walking (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yup. Faith without works is like a day without a bicycle. Or is that a woman without a man is like a fish without sunshine.... Something like that:-) (...) That's fine and good, but there's one caveat, and Jesus addresses this issue DIRECTLY (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) So you're a James disiple--"faith without works" and all that? I'm pretty much there except I say "In the end, I believe that we'll be judged on what we did" and leave the beliefs out of it, (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Phew, I was getting the shakes in there! ;-) I'm wondering if it's as simple as simply stating, "life begins at heartbeat". Completely arbitrary, but not without a poignant touch, considering that the heart is a powerful symbol for humanity (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is almost beyond belief. But then, on the oppsite end, there's the 'morning after' pill that is causing a furor because the republicans want to make it a perscription drug (or have already done so--can't remember)--they're meddling in the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No questions? Some have decided that (URL) post birth abortions> are fine. Again, I am not comfortable with someone deciding to abort a baby that is literally seconds from birth, much less X minutes after! It's almost beyond belief. So it (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And, naturally, that may be the hardest agreement to reach! (...) A fair question. If a fetus is removed from its mother at 20 weeks and spends another 20 weeks in an artificial uterus until birth, then that's just substituting one womb for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Remember that Tootsie Pop® commercial where the "scientist" is doing the experiment to finally find out how many licks does it take to reach the center of the Tootsie Pop sucker? "One, two, thareee, <crunch>...." "Three." As for our story and (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, if you accept the premise that the baby in utero (thanks for the clarification above) is a person, then certainly the State has the obligation to protect that person's rights (namely, to live). So, by comparison, if a mother tires of her (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) See, I'm kinda with Dave! on this one--if it's a black and white issue--i.e. the second the sperm touches the egg it's LIFE! then there would be no issue. But people haven't been able to come to a consensus for, well, ever yet as to when life (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then again, maybe it (URL) was thrown out.> Personally, I thought that the whole undertaking was a waste of time. Good riddance to some pointless litigation. Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The question becomes "why must the rights of the embryo or fetus supersede the rights of the woman?" I've never heard a compelling answer to that question. (...) It has been helpful for me, in discussions like this, to add the term "viable" to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it definitely affects the baby, and if that baby is considered a person, then the State has the obligation to protect the rights of that person. (...) Yes. Here are 2 extreme examples that I believe negate any position that is completely (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will never put a woman in a position where she'll have to wrestle with the decision to have an abortion. I believe the baby in the womb is a living entity--at what point doesn't really matter to the 'big conversation'--if I 'knock someone (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing funny about it, and I wasn't recommending it, I was just tracing a line from the past into the future, answering the question about how you solve this problem. (...) Yes yes, no fools these Iranians. Is there some reason you think that (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can feeel the loove! Quick, on to abortion:-) JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Right (see, I told you:-) I was trying to find the actual column in which she says this but it was too old for my cursory search (pun intended--ALWAYS!). But from your link, she flat-out states, "That's just a joke, for you in the media." You (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And if so, so what? Isn't anyone's right to make "a fuss"? Unless of course by fuss you mean burn and murder.... The interesting question now is for countries who have freedom of speech (such as Germany), but yet have laws making it illegal to (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would ther have been a response if there were anti-jewish cartoons published? More than likely. And the response would have happened when the cartoons came out back in September, instead of sitting on it whilst shipping danish flags to the (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mr Tolerant, Just imagine the fuss in the west if the same paper had printed anti-jewish material... Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, she talked about (URL) Justice John Paul Stevens>, who is far to the Left of Scalia and Coulter. (...) Care to rework that, since it was Stevens instead of Scalia? (...) Well, I'll give you that one. I don't think he's all that (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't remember the exact quotation, but let's be honest here. Scalia, to Coulter, is one of the "good guys". I'm sure that if she had to pick a Justice to poison, he wouldn't really be her first choice. (...) Slightly different because Maher (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And I agree with this assessment--calling for poisoning anyone is extremely bad taste--joking or no. (...) Oh that'd be the day... THere is a dichotomy between the 'Left' and the 'Right' with what they can get away with--the 'Right' could use (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Though I hesitate to use the words "cute" and "Ann Coulter" in the same post, I simply don't see the distinction between her call for poisoning to be different from the hypothetical that I mentioned. Sure, she can claim that she's joking, but (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There happens to be a law against that, and the Secret Service takes that stuff seriously. It's best not to get cute in that arena. But if you posted that and many other unpleasantries, say in a liberal NG, no one would care, because they'd (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, let's see. If I go on-air to millions and declare that a certain US President should be assassinated, will Conservatives rally around me to protect my right to free speech? Of course, if I were a dessicated, talentless hack who called (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not using emoticons? (...) NO EMOTICONS FOR YOU!!! JOHN PS No props por my malaprop? ;-) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Did he actually call for the assassination? If he did, what's up with those no-good followers of his who aren't following orders? Talk is cheap. Protected, in fact. (...) AAhmen and Ahmen. Well spoken, Bruce! (...) If the tables were turned, (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not that there's anything wrong with that... Oh wait, that's Seinfeld... Dave K (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I feel like we are auditioning for a scene in Brokeback Mountin! Suddenly afraid to use emoticons, JOHN (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Aww gee... (shuffles feet all embarassed like...) Dave K (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure Pat "I was for Ariel's stroke because he divided the Holy Land until I was against Ariel's stroke 'cause I couldn't have my Theme Park" Robertson has his followers, and has called for assassinations, and other such crap. However, his (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But this is not a trial in court. One is innocent until proven guilty in this country, and so you just can't convict somebody for state of mind or intent. Now, as for Fred Phelps and Eric Rudolph, they are clearly deranged and insane. So write (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, I simply can't accept that. (...) All evidence suggests that Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Eric Rudolph and all the rest would engage in murderous violence--and their followers would support them--if only they thought that they could (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The temptation to equate intolerant Islam and the intolerant Christian Right is simply too great and self-servingly too delicious for the Left to resist. Don't fall into that blinkered, bigotted hole, Dave! I will grant to you that both sides (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sparky! I'm in LOVE!!! :-) XXXOOO, JOHN (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) (URL) Here's> more... ;) Dave K (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) are some additional thoughts along these lines, expressed at greater length than I was able to put together. Dave! (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sigh! Voters these days, don't like anything innovative ;) Tim PS. That was my tame response. I have a significantly more practical but even less politically feasible one but I'd need to be drunk to air it. (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Refreshingly forthright and brilliantly impractical. Well played, but you're not likely to win any political contests with entries like that! (you'd have my vote though). (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Whoops! (...) Strictly speaking you should probably call him President Ahmadinejad if you expect the courtesy to be extended to other leaders. But I was mainly teasing you because I remembered you telling someone else off for it ;) (...) I (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol And who exactly is this president of "Iranin";-) Actually, you have outed my laziness, as I didn't care to look up how to spell (looking up, now....) Ahmadinejad, if that is even what you are talking about. Are you referring to the fact (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tsk tsk tsk John. You (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) have told people before to addess the US President by his proper title as opposed to George Dubya so I would expect the same courtesy extended to the Iranin President. Tim (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I did say "seriously".... If in case you are serious (which I seriously doubt), then there is a problem with your solution-- the Iranians apparently thought of that already and have substantially decentralized their stuff, making a 1 shot (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Israel bombs it back to the stone age. Last time this happenned (in Iraq), you bombed up the American supplied aircraft of the Israeli airforce with the necessary ordnance, and they (URL) the facilities>, safe in the knowledge that the US (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Alles klar, Herr Kommissar. (...) Exactly. But are fundamentalists more apt to resort to violence in promoting/defending their ideals? I'm thinking not, and so I suspect that the seeds of violent intolerance are sown elsewhere. I have a (...) (19 years ago, 7-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't normally check out off-topic. Glad I did. I have no interest or knowledge in the religious beliefs of other people and nor should I be required too. So if I see a news report that believers in some religion about which I know nothing (...) (19 years ago, 7-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's be clear, though; I'm not saying that only fundamentalism breeds intolerance, nor that all fundamentalists are intolerant. Perhaps a better word than "fundamentalist" in this context is "absolutist," meaning someone who claims to have (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does it actually breed it? I don't believe one needs to be a fundamentalist to be intolerant. I have come across many intolerant liberals lately, though I doubt they'd ever admit it. I'm wondering: in order to be truly intolerant, does one (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure that that's correct. Paul Mirecki, of KSU, was attacked for speaking out against fundamentalist Christians and for (rightly) labeling Intelligent Design "Creationism." Abortion clinics have been bombed by people "doing the Lord's (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps it is I who is the (URL) ;-) JOHN (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, scroll down to the (URL) next to last image>. :) Bruce (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) O take the threats and so-on seriously, but to go to war over them is ia bit over the top. As much as it may pain you to hear it, if you want to justify going to war, then wait until they do an act of war, not just threaten. Thwart plans, yes. (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL)? Seriously. JOHN (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's what I was asking, thank you for clarifying. ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not "less". What they are actually doing now is making serious threats and engaging in deliberately provocative behavior. So the question becomes, do we take them at their word, or do we take the chance that they are full of BS? We are being (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was speaking in the context of Sharia. I don't care if Iranians believe in Sharia or any other system of law and order. What I do care about is how those beliefs affect their policies towards the outside world. So I don't think that your (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's less about what they actually do than it is about what you believe they might do? a (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm just trying to establish whether the statement you made about Iranians above also applies to gays. Does it? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Regarding what? (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you *do* care what gays believe? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, see, this is part of the problem. If we wait, for instance, until Iran gets nukes and uses them, then it is a bit late, don't you agree? This is the reason for pre-emptive strikes. A stitch in time and all of that. (...) I guess I was (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol For some reason, it comes out that way in type every time and I have to go back and correct. Musta missed that one:-/ Either that, or it's Canada's fault! JOHN (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You probably did but that's not really your fault. There have been marches in the UK but, unsurprisingly their peaceful nature made them unnewsworthy. BTW. I just found this (URL) So it seems that the government and religious leaders of (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A good start would be to find out who it actually is. (...) And how many people do you know with faeces for brains to make such a comparison? (...) His? I see nothing gender specific about that pic. Maybe it's nothing to do with shame, but a (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: --SNIP-- (...) But surely thats how democracy works. If you had no control over who was in power then you could have a right to say that its nothing to do with you, but that isn't the case. (Don't get (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough - that was a pretty lame reason to riot. I remember my High School shutting off access to cable and radio when the verdict was read during the OJ Simpson trial in case there was problems. Pretty lame and unjustified if you ask me. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote: --BIG--SNIP-- (...) But the flaw in that is that you don't have to be cohabiting to be married Another Tim (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The UK still produces a lot of good authors John. To accuse it of literary dying is a bit harsh. ;) Tim (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I meant to imply that he was full of it for holding that view, not expressing it. And what if you did? That's your view, and you are entitled to it. So then we can debate it and argue the merits of each others points. How does one open a (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) I agree completely, but we'll have to wait and see what happens before deciding on this. (...) Wasn't me who confused the two. It was you. Thus my statement above regarding conservatism and fundamentalism. (...) I've seen no proof (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I frankly don't care what they believe; it's what they do that can concern me... (...) Harriet Miers was a terrible choice-- unqualified, and a crony. The Dems should be thankful that they were spared the job of excoriating a woman nominee (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I disagree with many of your views, but I don't say you're full of shit for expressing them. Do you know that person? How can you possibly say what their motivation is? ROSCO (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No John. I'm not repeating (nor speaking of) sour grapes. I have nothing against the conservatism of the appointees, I have something against the religious fundamentalism of them. You know, the same thing you don't like in Muslims. As it is, I (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Like thousands rioting in LA because a court ruling didn't go the way they wanted? I seem to recall about 50 killed, was that justified? Mob rule can do some strange things to people. ROSCO (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Great example. This man cannot be more of a hypocrite, more full of excrement. The irony is literally painful. JOHN (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol Ah, using myself against myself, eh? Well, you've got a fool for a witness! Looks as though I was a bit contentious as well...:-o Okay, on to my apparent contradiction.... The United States of America is a secular democracy. Our very (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are repeating simply the sour grapes of one group who isn't currently in power. Boo-hoo. Bush's nominations are eminently qualified to hold their positions. Even if Roe v. Wade were to be repelled, that still means nothing. Why is it that (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't mean to suggest any society is free of extremists and crazies. Christianity has been responsible for some of the most horrendous acts in history - cruel, horrible actions that seem devoid of purpose or humanity. Nor am I trying to say (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm... (URL) "We are most certainly *not* a secular nation."> (Readers perusing that old thread for the first time should be warned that it took place before my now-characteristic patience and politeness were cemented...) Dave! (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) --SNIP-- (...) Apart from on Bosnia, and Liberia and the other places where they have. Sure we don't have the pretty pictures of it but that's because, according to the Western media, those people don't count. And that's not to (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Protests in London call for terrorist strikes against Europe, threaten those who insult Islam with execution, and generally reject liberal democracy. (URL) Danish Embassy in Lebanon and Syria are attacked by protestors and set on fire. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which is all fine up until the point where the separation of church and state begins to be eroded. That point has almost been reached, and, with President Bush's new Court nominations is in danger of being reached. Mainly however, I was just (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You were just asserting that the US was a secular demo, no? We are. But most of our FF were men of faith and our very existence was due to those who were looking to practice their religion freely, so we have an integral, religious history. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here is a bigger archive of Mohamed cartoons over the ages, up to the present. It shows the fairly humorous Danish ones ("Stop, stop, we ran out of virgins!") along with the 3 somewhat different in tone cartoons that are probably a big part of (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you ever get the impression that the media is being manipulated... by both sides ? Ray (19 years ago, 4-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is very interesting. Why do you suppose that attempts haven't been made to change your flag to remove that Christian element? Or have there been? I'm really curious as to whether or not this is or ever was an issue of debate in your (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm saying that the people that are on the streets with the threatening of life and the shooting of guns in the air and aprtaking in 'violent demostrations' are the uncivilized people--it doesn't matter if they're muslim. christian, agnostic, (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's mostly a clash between the extremists. Here in Norway, a fundamental Christian newspaper, which nobody had heard about before this issue came up, reprinted the pictures. And this is taken up by similar guys on the Muslim side, who are (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What took you? :-) (...) The er, fundamental difference, is that one is peaceful and law-abiding, and the other isn't. You can call the responses from US-based religious groups to any given issue "acrimonious" if you want, but they are rarely (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Glad you clarified, because now I really have no idea what you're talking about! Who and where and what are these people about whom you speak? JOHN (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I want to clarify my response--the people that are 'taking this to the streets' with the flag burning and the gun shooting and the life threatening are the uncivilized people--not Muslims or people of middle eastern countries. (...) I was just (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm a little late in getting to this discussion, so perhaps this has been addressed already, but how is this threatened responsed fundamentally (no pun intended) different from acrimonious boycotts by US-based religious groups whenever an (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To be fair, this insane response has not been echoed by American Muslims. We must account for that as well.... (...) I wonder if that has something to do with not wanting their "image" caught on tape or photographed-- the whole making "graven (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't tink the maor difference is that you're living in a Secular democracy. I think the difference is that you're living in a society that can voice their differences in a fashion that doesn't entail the need to lop the heads off people if (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I will consider your removal of and lack of counterargument to the prior text to be agreement. I'm glad I could be so convincing. ;) (...) I don't really see much difference here but it is a matter of semantics and thus purely opinion based. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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