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Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:36:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Sure Pat “I was for Ariel’s stroke because he divided the Holy Land until I
was against Ariel’s stroke ‘cause I couldn’t have my Theme Park” Robertson
has his followers, and has called for assassinations, and other such crap.
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However, his followers wouldn’t amount to many thousands of people storming
the streets. There were 200,000+ muslims in one protest wit hthe burning
flags and calling for the heads of cartoonists.
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Did he actually call for the assassination? If he did, what’s up with those
no-good followers of his who aren’t following orders? Talk is cheap.
Protected, in fact.
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I don’t think Robertson could muster 20 people to go “storming the gates” to
kill people. And if he did, I, along with millions of Christians around the
world, would flat out no holds barred, denounce him and his zealots
unequivocably as non-Christians.
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AAhmen and Ahmen. Well spoken, Bruce!
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Therein lies the difference that I think John is trying to get across. If
and when Christians find something offensive, a really brain damaged jackass
may go to extremes. When Muslims find somehting offensive, there’ll be
200,000+ jackasses in one city calling for the heads of the “infidels”.
I’m not saying that Christians are all good and Muslims are all bad. I’m
saying that one religion, over the whole, preaches peace and one religion, on
the whole, preaches death and destruction to the infidels.
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If the tables were turned, and the same number of Christians were doing what the
Muslims have done, there had better be every single other Christian out
there protesting what the others were doing, or I leave the “church” and join
the others in protesting/stopping them. I realize that there has been some
objections by a few Muslims groups, but not nearly enough.
I am afraid Dave is correct; if it walks the walk of violence, and talks the
talk of violence, it is violence, no matter how unPC that conclusion is. The
only way to rectify that is internally.
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It’s not black and white, to be sure, but there is a difference. One should
not dismiss that difference between the religions as inconsequential nad lump
both of them together.
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Now, before you start pointing to specific instances of hate crimes
perpetrated by so-called Christians, please realize that that behavior is
universally condemned by any sort of mainstream Christian.
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Their condemnation doesn’t really matter, since we’re discussing the
fundamentalists (or absolutists), rather than the sane moderates.
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And finding sane moderates in a Christian environment is a litle easier than
finding a sane moderate in a Muslim environment.
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The Christian Right has the right to scream any hateful idea they want,
as do the Islamofascists. And one could argue that they both do. But what
they do with that intolerance are completely 2 different things.
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Of course they have the right to express their views, though they cross the
line when they preach politics from the pulpit or when they threaten those
who disagree with their views.
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Perfectly agree--and having congregations told who they must vote for by the
padre is ludicrous.
But who’s the more foolish--the fool or the fool who follows him? If the
congregation wants to be brow beaten, then they’re sheep. Hey, not my life
style--I prefer to think for myself.
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Yes, and we can’t legislate stupidity (infortunately;-) Which segues into
Progressivism, but I digress...
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So that blogger, while cute and clever in his prose, is, in the final
analysis, plainly wrong. Let us just imagine how absolutely and completely
unglued the Islamofascists would become if anyone dare create a “Piss
MoHo” work of art! And then we can compare that reaction to “Piss Christ”
or any of the literally 1,000s of offensive works of art aimed squarely
at Christianity and see if they are really the same. My money says, “Hell,
no!”
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Let’s imagine a President Pat Robertson, for a moment, who had dubiously
secured for himself the role of Commander In Chief during a time of
permanent war, and in so doing alleged himself to have the absolute power to
do whatever he wants (you know, just like what Dubya has done). Do you
really think that Robertson--out of the mainstream or not--wouldn’t exert
his crazy fundamentalist will over the citizenry? How long do you think it
would be before atheism, or even non-evangelical Christianity, were declared
a blasphemous crime against the theocracy? My money says “a day or two at
most.”
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And if the 300+ million people put up with it, who’s the actual idiot?
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The Robertson example is extreme, I grant, but no more extreme that
Robertson himself.
Long, long ago I commented here in OT.debate that people, while not
necessarily evil, will nonetheless “expand” to fill the space available to
them, behavior-wise. If passionate Christian fundamentalists had free rein
to act as they pleased, I have no basis to conclude that they would not
speedily and happily usher in a new dark age of intolerance and inquisition.
(not that anyone expects an Inqusition...)
Dave!
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And I would disagree with that notion--the Christians that I know are
peace-first types. One has to look no further than the LSK funeral to see
that Christians, at least the true believers of God’s word, are like this.
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“True believers of God’s word”-- careful Dave, that can be very easily
misconstrued. I would word it thusly: “faithful followers of Christ’s Gospel of
radical love”. Not as pithy, but more explicit and less likely to be confused
with some other whacked-out group of “true believers”.
JOHN
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