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Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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I will grant to you that both sides are intolerant. But there is one
difference that makes all the difference and makes comparisons, while
seemingly accurate, completely and unequivocably wrong. Violence.
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John, I simply can’t accept that.
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The> Islamofascists commit suicide, murder, butchery of all kinds in the
name of their God, and the Christian Right, while screaming their agenda,
however hateful it may be perceived, do not act out violently.
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All evidence suggests that Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Eric Rudolph and
all the rest would engage in murderous violence--and their followers would
support them--if only they thought that they could get away with it.
Robertson has publicly called for assassination. Phelps advocates violence
against homosexuals. Rudolph is a terrorist convicted of murder. These are
not misunderstood mystics whom the Left can caricature--they’re American
citizens proudly proclaiming themselves to be doing the Lord’s work and
passionately supported by their followers and apologists.
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Sure Pat “I was for Ariel’s stroke because he divided the Holy Land until I was
against Ariel’s stroke ‘cause I couldn’t have my Theme Park” Robertson has his
followers, and has called for assassinations, and other such crap.
However, his followers wouldn’t amount to many thousands of people storming the
streets. There were 200,000+ muslims in one protest wit hthe burning flags and
calling for the heads of cartoonists.
I don’t think Robertson could muster 20 people to go “storming the gates” to
kill people. And if he did, I, along with millions of Christians around the
world, would flat out no holds barred, denounce him and his zealots
unequivocably as non-Christians.
Therein lies the difference that I think John is trying to get across. If and
when Christians find something offensive, a really brain damaged jackass may go
to extremes. When Muslims find somehting offensive, there’ll be 200,000+
jackasses in one city calling for the heads of the “infidels”.
I’m not saying that Christians are all good and Muslims are all bad. I’m saying
that one religion, over the whole, preaches peace and one religion, on the
whole, preaches death and destruction to the infidels.
It’s not black and white, to be sure, but there is a difference. One should not
dismiss that difference between the religions as inconsequential nad lump both
of them together.
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Now, before you start pointing to specific instances of hate crimes
perpetrated by so-called Christians, please realize that that behavior is
universally condemned by any sort of mainstream Christian.
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Their condemnation doesn’t really matter, since we’re discussing the
fundamentalists (or absolutists), rather than the sane moderates.
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And finding sane moderates in a Christian environment is a litle easier than
finding a sane moderate in a Muslim environment.
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The Christian Right has the right to scream any hateful idea they want, as
do the Islamofascists. And one could argue that they both do. But what
they do with that intolerance are completely 2 different things.
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Of course they have the right to express their views, though they cross the
line when they preach politics from the pulpit or when they threaten those
who disagree with their views.
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Perfectly agree--and having congregations told who they must vote for by the
padre is ludicrous.
But who’s the more foolish--the fool or the fool who follows him? If the
congregation wants to be brow beaten, then they’re sheep. Hey, not my life
style--I prefer to think for myself.
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So that blogger, while cute and clever in his prose, is, in the final
analysis, plainly wrong. Let us just imagine how absolutely and completely
unglued the Islamofascists would become if anyone dare create a “Piss
MoHo” work of art! And then we can compare that reaction to “Piss Christ”
or any of the literally 1,000s of offensive works of art aimed squarely at
Christianity and see if they are really the same. My money says, “Hell,
no!”
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Let’s imagine a President Pat Robertson, for a moment, who had dubiously
secured for himself the role of Commander In Chief during a time of permanent
war, and in so doing alleged himself to have the absolute power to do
whatever he wants (you know, just like what Dubya has done). Do you really
think that Robertson--out of the mainstream or not--wouldn’t exert his crazy
fundamentalist will over the citizenry? How long do you think it would be
before atheism, or even non-evangelical Christianity, were declared a
blasphemous crime against the theocracy? My money says “a day or two at
most.”
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And if the 300+ million people put up with it, who’s the actual idiot?
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The Robertson example is extreme, I grant, but no more extreme that Robertson
himself.
Long, long ago I commented here in OT.debate that people, while not
necessarily evil, will nonetheless “expand” to fill the space available to
them, behavior-wise. If passionate Christian fundamentalists had free rein
to act as they pleased, I have no basis to conclude that they would not
speedily and happily usher in a new dark age of intolerance and inquisition.
(not that anyone expects an Inqusition...)
Dave!
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And I would disagree with that notion--the Christians that I know are
peace-first types. One has to look no further than the LSK funeral to see that
Christians, at least the true believers of God’s word, are like this.
Dave K
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