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Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:52:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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All evidence suggests that Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Eric Rudolph and
all the rest would engage in murderous violence--and their followers would
support them--if only they thought that they could get away with it.
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But this is not a trial in court. One is innocent until proven guilty in this
country, and so you just can’t convict somebody for state of mind or intent.
Now, as for Fred Phelps and Eric Rudolph, they are clearly deranged and insane.
So write them off right away. They represent nobody but their psychotic
selves. They may say that they are Christians, but clearly their actions
indicate otherwise.
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Robertson has publicly called for assassination.
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If PR wants to be a Christian leader, he should watch his mouth more
carefully. But even a Christian would give pause to the hypothetical, “if you
could have successfully assassinated Hitler in 1939, would you have?” What
would you say to that, Dave!?
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Phelps advocates violence
against homosexuals.
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Deranged.
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Rudolph is a terrorist convicted of murder.
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And as such not a “Christian” (one being “Christ-like”)
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These are
not misunderstood mystics whom the Left can caricature--they’re American
citizens proudly proclaiming themselves to be doing the Lord’s work and
passionately supported by their followers and apologists.
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And they are insane whackjobs with whom I as a Christian have nothing in
common except that they call themselves Christian which, as I’ve already pointed
out, is meaningless because they are deranged.
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Now, before you start pointing to specific instances of hate crimes
perpetrated by so-called Christians, please realize that that behavior is
universally condemned by any sort of mainstream Christian.
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Their condemnation doesn’t really matter, since we’re discussing the
fundamentalists (or absolutists), rather than the sane moderates.
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Yes, but the tendency of the Left is to paint all Republicans as right wing
nutjobs (as does the Right to the Left). And it’s all partisan B as in B, S as
in S.
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The Christian Right has the right to scream any hateful idea they want, as
do the Islamofascists. And one could argue that they both do. But what
they do with that intolerance are completely 2 different things.
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Of course they have the right to express their views, though they cross the
line when they preach politics from the pulpit or when they threaten those
who disagree with their views.
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So that blogger, while cute and clever in his prose, is, in the final
analysis, plainly wrong. Let us just imagine how absolutely and completely
unglued the Islamofascists would become if anyone dare create a “Piss
MoHo” work of art! And then we can compare that reaction to “Piss Christ”
or any of the literally 1,000s of offensive works of art aimed squarely at
Christianity and see if they are really the same. My money says, “Hell,
no!”
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Let’s imagine a President Pat Robertson, for a moment, who had dubiously
secured for himself the role of Commander In Chief during a time of permanent
war, and in so doing alleged himself to have the absolute power to do
whatever he wants (you know, just like what Dubya has done). Do you really
think that Robertson--out of the mainstream or not--wouldn’t exert his crazy
fundamentalist will over the citizenry?
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Honestly, no. In fact, I think that he would be particularily sensitive to
Christian exhortation and rebuke.
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How long do you think it would be
before atheism, or even non-evangelical Christianity, were declared a
blasphemous crime against the theocracy? My money says “a day or two at
most.”
The Robertson example is extreme, I grant, but no more extreme that Robertson
himself.
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He’s harmless in terms of perpetrating violence. He is constrained by his own
Gospel message.
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Long, long ago I commented here in OT.debate that people, while not
necessarily evil, will nonetheless “expand” to fill the space available to
them, behavior-wise. If passionate Christian fundamentalists had free rein
to act as they pleased, I have no basis to conclude that they would not
speedily and happily usher in a new dark age of intolerance and inquisition.
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I agree, but that assessment applies to everyone, not just Christian
fundamentalists. Look at New Orleans. A disaster happens, and lawlessness runs
rampant. And in LA. Without the law, without the threat of punishment,
people will loot. If anything, average Christians, who believe that they are
held to a higher law, will be MORE law abiding than their unbelieving and
naughty neighbors.
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(not that anyone expects an Inqusition...)
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Nobody expects a kind of Spanish Inquisition; their weapons are fear and
surprise...
JOHN
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