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Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:37:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Well, let’s see. If I go on-air to millions and declare that a certain US
President should be assassinated, will Conservatives rally around me to
protect my right to free speech?
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There happens to be a law against that, and the Secret Service takes that
stuff seriously. It’s best not to get cute in that arena.
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Though I hesitate to use the words “cute” and “Ann Coulter” in the same post,
I simply don’t see the distinction between her call for poisoning to be
different from the hypothetical that I mentioned. Sure, she can claim that
she’s joking, but if her only defense is that Supreme Court Justices--unlike
the President--aren’t protected against seemingly idle verbal threats, then
that’s a pretty lame defense.
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And I agree with this assessment--calling for poisoning anyone is extremely bad
taste--joking or no.
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Of course, if I were a dessicated, talentless hack who called for the
poisoning of a sitting Supreme Court Justice, I suppose I could laugh off
my terroristic threat as a “joke,” right?
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Yeah, because it was meant as a joke (she’s a satirist, after all), so
trying to misconstrue her meaning is disingenuous at best, Dave! I know
that I have admonished against forming opinions based on “intent” in the
past, but isn’t it obvious that that statement wasn’t a real threat?
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Here’s a different hypothetical: If Bill Maher had said on-air that Scalia
should be poisoned, would the Conservative masses accept that he was joking?
Would they laugh? Would they defend Maher?
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Oh that’d be the day... THere is a dichotomy between the ‘Left’ and the ‘Right’
with what they can get away with--the ‘Right’ could use the JPII funeral as a
‘he ws mostly in line with Dubya’s moral and political policies’ but the Left
certainly couldn’t use LSK to show the inherent unjustness of Dubya--nosiree!!
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There are plenty of fringe loonies who are peaceful
fringe loonies. There are even fringe loonies who spit hate, but are
otherwise (relatively) harmless. It’s the ones who are burning and killing
we need to worry about.
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All right: I’m worried about the dangerous fringe loonies, then!
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I’m not worries about the loonie at all--it looks like it’s doing quite well
against the Yankee dollar right now
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My concern is that as the left and right get more and more over the top with
their partisan rhetoric, they paint each other to be the very fringe loonies
about which you speak-- essentially rendering the entire country a bin of
fringe loonies!
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If the United States feels justified in issuing direct proclamations
against outspoken, radical mullahs (and it does), then it should feel
obligated to issue similar proclamations aginst outspoken, radical
evangelists (as opposed to meeting with them and using them to drum up
votes).
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Politics. Did you ever believe it wasn’t nasty business?
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Of course not, but Dubya can’t claim to be a “moral man” while conspiring
with dangerous fringe loonies for the sake of political expediency. A
nebulous morality of convenience ill-becomes a man who claims a black/white,
Manichean worldview.
In the past few messages we’ve seen mention of “real Christian values,” and
Phelps et al have been accused of failing to adhere to these. I accept that
argument, but let me ask you this:
Do you believe that President Bush adheres to these “real Christian values?”
Please don’t give him a pass by using the “he has to obey the law of the
land” argument, because Kerry tried that and was repudiated and nearly denied
Communion for it, so it’s clearly an untenable argument. Bush has declared
his belief that our US laws come to us, indirectly perhaps, from God’s
Decalogue. If US law conflicted with God’s law, which would Bush obey? And
would he admit to it?
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Well, we all know my position on Dubya--kick the bum out. I watched most of the
televised funeral for LSK, and watching Bubba--there’s a good man.
And even Carter got a good lick in. But eh, as someone else on another blog
posted, the ‘Conservatives’ won’t be happy until they tell you when you can
create life, when you can end life, and what you can say at the funeral.
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Those are honest and sincere questions, with no intended sarcasm.
Dave!
(do you know why you got booted, by the way? I haven’t checked my personal
email since last night, so maybe you’ve already answered me there...)
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Das Boot?
Dave K
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