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(...) While we're at it, how literally do you want "democracy" defined? Would you accept that the US, for instance, is actually a republic, not a democracy? BTW I don't accept "The Straight Ddope" as a source, since it has been used against ME in (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps, if he were a Religion major in kollege (as I was). And BTW, I meant Wilt Chamberlain, not Dr J (I guess I got them confused because of Dr J's recent legal problems with his estranged wife...) JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course, but even if we tortured and killed a known torturer and killer, it still wouldn't be morally equivalent to the torturing and killing of an innocent. And BTW, what IS justice for a known kidnapper and murderer of innocent children? (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How literally do you insist on "war" to be defined? Would you accept that the Vietnam conflict, for instance, was actually a war? Chris (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not really. He certainly knows the bible better than I do, and perhaps even better than you do, John... (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And if we stoop to the level of the atrocity committer in our meting out of justice, we are also so doomed. (...) Assuming he did it. I grant it looks pretty certain but never can you be 100% CERTAIN. Do you know for *sure* what exactly (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What I was trying to do was emphathize with the parents of this little girl. I was imagining that it happened to my little girl. So yeah, my reaction was a little personal and over the top. I don't think Dave or I would be justified to torture (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He is? He is a popular actor, but I wouldn't call it reverance. Hmmmm. (...) Mostly, I'm just teasing about the Queen. :-) (...) There is more flag-waving in this country than in Britain (see the John Neal prototype), or such is my impression. (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, the ongoing Kashmir conflict (and at some points in history all out war) between India and Pakistan... -Orion (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are in denial. Why are your jails full of your black countrymen? You’ll never change it if you don’t confront it. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was referring jokingly to the reverence Tom is shown. (...) The UK is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch. She’d be set aside if she tried to use what little powers she still holds. Interestingly, she could have stopped (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bush's support for Israel is good for nobody. It is'nt even good for Israel. (...) None of that explains Bush’s support for brutal regimes (e.g. Uzbekistan & Israel) or nuclear proliferators (Pakistan). Scott A (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi-ho. (...) Yes, you might think that if Jesus, as God-on-earth (or at least someone-more-qualifi...s-behalf), wanted it to be clear to people in his own time (and for all time) that the barbaric morality which the Old Testament portrays as (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I understand that, but aren't you supposed to try? I mean, you're openly embracing your desire to torture another man. I thought (and obviously I don't hold the same set of spiritual convictions that you do, but I thought I understood them a (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I lean towards the Seventh Day Adventist teachings in that death is a sleep during which the "dead know nothing" (Eccl 9:5), which is to say that nothing of a person survives death, that the dead simply cease to exist until they are (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have the same problem, but after having read The Great Divorce by CS Lewis, I have come to as close an understanding as I think I will ever come WRT Hell. His basic premise is that we of our own free will choose Hell, not God condemning us (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I think he did both. He was the Messiah, the hope and King of the Jews, so in that respect he fulfilled the Law and Prophecies. He also introduced a New Covenant, but I would disagree that it superceded the original covenant God made (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not so sure. While I still hold on my faith, I find it deeply distrubing that the atrocities ordered by God in the Old Testament are not reputiated in the teachings of Jesus since Jesus is God. In fact, I find it hard to accept that a God (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17 I remember my mother quoting that to me. And I also remember in the next breath that she said, "And then he (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Woudn't that be like asking Dr J to do a PSA on abstinance? ;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But if we are not outraged when atrocities occur, we are morally doomed. (...) How would it be unjust? Showing him the same mercy he showed seems just to me. The injustice is that there is a family whose lives have been completely shattered (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well it should be pointed out that those are Old Testament books and while Christ never repudiated them he didn't exactly go around saying they were spot on as moral guides given the new relationship of god with man that was represented by the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dude, I am imperfect and this is an imperfect world. Somehow, I believe he will come to full judgment for his actions, but probably not in this world. The closest thing I could think of to a fitting judgment here on earth would be to condemn (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe this one: "I will strew your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land with your flowing blood up to the mountains, and the watercourses will be filled with you." Eze 32:5-6 or this one: "Now (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I did start the post with " Which is probably why I shouldn't be allowed to get one... " See, when the emotions get involved, can one really make a rational decision where life is concerned. I don't know what's the right thing to do. If (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But, John, the death penalty is, so, well, final. What if there was a mistake? It does happen, you know. Even in these apparently close and shut cases, with "confessions" and neat surveilance videotapes and everything. What if the prison (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which part of the teachings of Christ are you reflecting...I can't seem to find that part. Chris (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, you mean in the way that he was in and out of prison like spinning in a turnstyle? (...) Wrong. Stops him from ever doing it again. (...) What is it with you Liberals? What is there to understand? Evil is evil. Stop trying to understand it (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tradition would say that Scott was being sarcastic, but maybe he wasn't. Either he honestly wanted my opinion, or perhaps it was rhetorical but he felt there was a point to it. I already placed my qualifier ("for the most part") but, yes, my (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmm, I'm not sure where you are going with that analogy. Tom Cruise remains Tom Cruise whatever I do, the Queen is your Queen because you subject yourself to her. (...) Aha! You admit that the UK does not live up to its propaganda! You (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are such a troll! Why not ask Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan or any of the other 1,000s of black millionaires your question. Shesh. (...) Ubertroll take off! JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: (snipped quotations) What I thought: nowhere did he ever use the term "imminent". (...) The meaning of your non-sequitur eludes me. What Bush wanted was Saddam Hussein removed from power, period. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah; we have our Queen, you have Tom Cruise (etc). ;) (...) I support the UK monarchy... but I tend not to read the tabloids. ;) (...) You are stealing my point! (...) Even if one is black? (...) They must have been the Schlickbernd's of (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does the propaganda live up to reality for everyone in the USA? Scott A (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It could be worse - we could have idiot royalty. Now that would really be lame. But then again, their antics can be amusing. To be less silly, what country lives up to its propaganda? Is the U.S. the land of the free and the home of the brave, (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does the propaganda live up to reality in the USA? Scott A (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is sarcasm, right? "we pretend to work, and the state pretends to pay us" ... that sort of thing? Presumably workers don't flee a workers "paradise" unless the quotation marks are there for a reason. (remember, I'm biased... both my (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I’d suggest you let justice take its course; it may transpire that this guy was/is unstable in some way. Even if he does turn out to be 100% ‘evil’, killing him after the event will accomplish nothing. Understanding "why" would accomplish (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hear healthcare is better than many Americans have too. Perhaps if Bush lifted sanctions it'd be even better. Without sanctions, Castro would be history by now. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Talking of which.... (URL) Hitler's debt to America:> "One such agitator was a disgruntled corporal in the German army. In 1924, he was serving time in prison for mob action. While there, he spent his time poring over eugenic textbooks, which (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not so. Many Cubans are happy with their lives in paradise. Two hours of work per day and 22 for free time in which to study for free for ever...doesn't sound totally bad to me. (Though I'd really want reliable power and a fat pipe.) Chris (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, supposedly we get a promise from the government that they won't be mistreated if they get repatriated, and supposedly we "monitor compliance" with that. Wanna know what I think of THAT strategy, or the promises of THAT government? (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Won't something very bad happen to them when they get home? Doesn't Castro frown on folks leaving his country 'illegally'? If all the Cubans fled to the US, Castro would have no one to push around. I mean, shouldn't the US be welcoming every (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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and some USE them as boats. (URL) have any questions about my stand on whether these intrepid voyagers should be given asylum or not? PS, 1959 was a VERY good year for Buicks, by the way... (1) ++Lar 1 - although my Daddy was driving a 1957 Buick (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c/ be no/ be almost no/ and we agree. I think there are a *few* honest politicians out there. Ron Paul for example... (URL) (a good read in and of itself) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He shouldn't be in office in either case. And, no, we didn't elect him. If we get to stone every politician who lied, there would be no politicians - not that doesn't sound bad. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Which is probably why I shouldn't be allowed to get one... Seriously, I'd buy the bullet and pull the trigger. She was 11 years old. This guy, if shown that he did it (as all evidence points towards like surveillence tape and DNA all over his car (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He should be! That's what I was saying. If he just screwed up, he should only be impeached. If he did it on purpose, his fate should be well worse. Chris (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Followed a link from one of my fave comics ( (URL) (1) ) to this: (URL) article> anyone know what the heck this is about? What I mean is what's the root dispute? ++Lar 1 - yes, it's cheezy space opera with a layer of titillation... what's your (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you're just mellowing in your old age--we all get there :) We also pick and choose our battles, but knowing that our friends will be there when we feel like taking a break from the battles is a good thing. I'm there for ya, Larry. (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, why isn't this an impeachable offense? (I admit it, my wife dinged me for this... she pointed out that I was screaming for the head of Clinton because he was an admitted perjurer (over something relatively unimportant, but the principle of (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perfectly agreed--SH's finagling and ousting inspectors and flaunting UN resolutions was a terrible thing. No one has ever stated that SH wasn't a tyrannical dictator with much blood on his hands. But at the time in question--from just before (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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By and large, I agree with DaveK's attack on our president. He lied to us and I believe, still, that he is a bad man. But that doesn't change the fact that Saddam Hussein is also a bad man. Really bad! I do believe that the world is a better place (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- George W. Bush "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I care! If he truly blew it, then he is merely unimaginably stupid. (Why was it obvious to lots of CIA analysts, reporters, and other nations around the world, and many of us that this whole thing was rigged, but not to our president?) And (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I already summed up this same position some time ago right here: either Dubya lied, or he was incompetent. Either way, he led the country into a contrived war, spending billions of dollars, the lives of our troops, ruined our country's (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The rest of your fine post is fatally weakened by the above sentence. Troll through some Bush speeches and you'll find the claims, in plain daylight. Heck, take a look at the Powell speech to the UN just prior, they're there. (to find that (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The reason I asked is because I know for a fact that nobody ever claimed such. It was blown intelligence and everybody bought it (why wouldn't they? SH, the complete idiot, wanted everyone to believe he had them. Bet he never thought we'd (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh come on, John. You HAVE to admit the administration has been backpedaling from their previous claims, even if Dave hasn't provided specific cites from the various speeches. I mean, who has time? (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: "You're wrong--he has WoMD (...) Cites, please. Whom are you quoting? (...) Specific cites of quotations, please. (...) That's just you propping up a straw man. JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, maybe you could come close. I've seen you use "arrant nonsense"(1) in a sentence before, haven't I? (...) Tool or fool, but not cool. 1 - one of my favorite phrasings (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's look at the exact wuote then, shall we?(seeing as how it;s right at the end of the article, it's pretty easy to find...) " I am not comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany. But one does begin to understand in all this how the Germans, another (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, precisely. Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And then go on to compare the US to Nazi Germany! Huh? JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) People seem to have to state that these days if they start talking about the US administration leading the people down the primrose path, hyping up the 'terror alerts'. Funny how the comparison is, well, not an exact fit, as hardly any (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I particularly liked "I am not comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany." Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) couldn't have said it better. There is that old adage--let history be the judge. I wonder, in 100 years what will history think of Dubya? Dave K (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nuts to that. I have you on record agreeing with me, so that's the end of it! 8^P (...) Not personal responsibility, but the particular framing of the parent/child contract. Larry gave a better alternative breakdown than I provided, so I'll (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Marriage is also a formal statement of interpersonal committment, and the legal recognition of marriage entitles the spouse to benefits and responsibilities not available to non-spouses. (...) No need for that; many same-sex couples already (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, though I remember things being a bit crowded, but obviously the only way I was remotely going to get any sleep was to share the couch... (...) have (...) I don't remember many details. I was trying to put him to bed in his room. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So this is an interesting example, because the negative effects are pretty well understood, and the costs of an alternative are pretty well understood. Of course what may not be so understood is how many other substances can cause fatal (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The answer is obvious. There are not enough of them around in these parts. I suspect they tend to live in warmer climates. Don (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Out of curiosity, why do you think we haven't passed compulsory nudity laws for those neurotics who are afraid of clothing? Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I've heard all about microwave cookbooks. Scott A (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're almost right here, but you're doing things in the wrong order. Heal the sick people of their neuroses first. Then strike down the no longer needed laws designed to protect them from the consequences of these neuorses. (...) How can you (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And not only that, but it was home-cooked and not McDonald's! (the shame) (...) Touche;-) (...) I'm sure it won't be for the lack of trying;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is improbable, but not impossible. Surely, the key must then be that you should have the respect of your kids before you encounter your extreme life-or-death scenario? We don’t share the same culture or kids, but for me beating children is (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that I should wake up tomorrow and all the laws regarding marriage will be stricken from the books. Just as cutting off one's arm to stem a minor infection would be bad, so to would instantainiously (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I think you're right... hacking isn't the right approach for the "final answer". however, as a hacker myself, there's value in hacking. If a few states go through various permutations on this (Ohio, I hear is about to do a very restrictive (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I, at least, would like you to enumerate a handful of these problems. I am now getting the feeling that I misinterpretted your concern (though I just posted a note based on my potential misunderstanding). Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. Orion is almost implying that infertile individuals should not marry. ;) (...) You've not met my wife. ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're making a ridiculous comparison. An action by a person that produces a substantially unhealthy state for others is very different than one who does not. The occurrances of people reacting to the sight of a naked body, even a (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok. But what do you propose to replace the dependent support systems tied into those marriage laws you'd like to obliterate? Take your time because there's a lot of details that need to be worked out. Don (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My contention I that we should do away with marriage laws all together. Government has no business dictating what does or does not constitute a marriage. This dicision is up to the individuals concerned and the life choice they decide to make. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean you don't eat dinner in front of the TV! What kind of parent are you? Next you'll be saying you eat around the same table and talk to each another! You degenerate! ;-) The JJ incident you mention was reported with astonishment on the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think any one definition fits all situations. Look at the peanuts on airplanes issue. Apparently these peanuts cause an extreme amount of suffering for a rather small number of people. The relativly light pain caused to others by (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Must have been a big couch! How did your nephew lead into the fit without reminding you of what he was seeking? I think I'm not getting part of the situation. Also, what would have been his alternative sleeping arangements? Was it eye-opening only (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read your post after I posted my reply to Orion, but I think we're almost on the same page here. I guess the difference is that I see the ongoing hacks to the marriage laws as doing more harm than good. However, we are rapidly approaching (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why do you draw the line at 2 people? And for that matter, why not allow 6 year olds to marry if they decide to. Like I said, the law is never going to be perfect. I just don't see how the proposed modifications to current marriage laws make (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, I did think that Nik was a courteous young man. And I don't mean to suggest that you can not get acceptable, even good, results in turning a child into an adult with corporal punishment as a tool. I was spanked. I'm OK. But I do question how (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I agree that unfettered democracy is evil. I think what Orion is asking you is for a definition of "enough people." I'm curious too. (...) I think there is a degree of behavior that could be called impinging on your freedom, but simply (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I went to bed thinking about this last night. I think I've overstated my agreement. Do you think the notion of personal responsibility (as a valuable more) is "at its essence arbitrary?" I am led to my parent/child debt structure by the twin (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...with laughter. Whatever it was, this is certain: JJ is a pathetic, over-the-hill rock star trying to grasp at one last moment in the spotlight by exposing her middle-aged boob. Move on, JJ. The youth-worshipping culture of Rock'N Roll is (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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What follows is not my best writing... I used a lot of that up today working on deliverables for my client and for BrickFest PDX. But it's a great topic and I wanted to take one more swing before I went to bed... (...) I know Chris didn't completely (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) FYI, while I didn't see the show, I saw a page on the Drudge Report on it (my only exposure to it). It wasn't a pastie. Pasties cover. It was a nipple-sunburst jewelry piece. Matt's page was incorrect - the nipple was NOT covered, it was (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With adoption, artificial insemination, host mothers, etc, it's hard to make the argument that "gay marriages can't produce progeny" a meaningful argument any more, in my view. Where I think we still have work to do is on the number... why (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree in the sense the government recognized marriage is useless. Marriage in the sense of 2 people deciding to spend the rest of their lives together and possibly raise offspring is fine. -Orion (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Check out what "Pure Democracy is Evil" has to say about majority rule. I love the silly quotes at the bottom. (URL) The problem with your argument is that it implies all laws are bad (...) Agreed. Except for one small detail. You don't (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Once the child has become recalcitrant, simple, calm reason is often a waste. I like to look at the child's recalcitrance the same way I look at crime, though, and try to prevent it rather than merely responding. A healthy dose of Good (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that a majority? (...) I'm saying that laws that infringe on one's personal freedom's are wrong. The Principle of Life Ownership states: "I own my own life. I can do whatever I want to with it. This is a right that I take for myself. No (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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