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Re: This is where I actually want a gun
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:57:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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See, when the emotions get involved, can one really make a rational decision
where life is concerned.
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But if we are not outraged when atrocities occur, we are morally doomed.
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And if we stoop to the level of the atrocity committer in our meting out of
justice, we are also so doomed.
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I don’t know what’s the right thing to do. If given a gun and this guy in a
room, I’d kill him. But would that be Just? I dunno.
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How would it be unjust? Showing him the same mercy he showed seems just to
me. The injustice is that there is a family whose lives have been completely
shattered forever and this puke is allowed to continue to exist.
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Assuming he did it.
I grant it looks pretty certain but never can you be 100% CERTAIN. Do you know
for *sure* what exactly happened, John?
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Again I admit that that would be human justice,
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And therefore imperfect, and subject to error and mistakes and out and out
malfeasance. There have been too many rushes to judgement, too many lynchings,
too many cases where a convenient patsy was located... a drifter, a guy with a
previous record, or whatever, and a confession beaten out of him so that the
case can be closed all neat and tidy. Is that the case here? Probably not but do
you know for certain?
Therefore I oppose the death penalty even in this case.
An aside: Another poster spoke out against vigilantism. I think that poster is
confused, or distorting words to make otherwise ill supported points.
Let us not confuse vigilanties with those who participate in lynch mobs, please.
The tradition of the posse, of a citizen’s *arrest* process, as an aid to law
enforcement, is long and honorable, and appropriate... as long as the alleged
perpetrator is then surrendered to the authorities.
It is when the citizens decide to mete out JUSTICE on their own that things go
awry.
++Lar
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| (...) Of course, but even if we tortured and killed a known torturer and killer, it still wouldn't be morally equivalent to the torturing and killing of an innocent. And BTW, what IS justice for a known kidnapper and murderer of innocent children? (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) But if we are not outraged when atrocities occur, we are morally doomed. (...) How would it be unjust? Showing him the same mercy he showed seems just to me. The injustice is that there is a family whose lives have been completely shattered (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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