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Re: This is where I actually want a gun
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 9 Feb 2004 03:51:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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See, when the emotions get involved, can one really make a rational
decision where life is concerned.
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But if we are not outraged when atrocities occur, we are morally doomed.
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And if we stoop to the level of the atrocity committer in our meting out of
justice, we are also so doomed.
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Of course, but even if we tortured and killed a known torturer and killer, it
still wouldn’t be morally equivalent to the torturing and killing of an
innocent.
And BTW, what IS justice for a known kidnapper and murderer of innocent
children? Life in prison with 3 squares, cable TV, and conjugal visits?
Somehow that doesn’t parse in my view.
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I don’t know what’s the right thing to do. If given a gun and this guy in
a room, I’d kill him. But would that be Just? I dunno.
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How would it be unjust? Showing him the same mercy he showed seems just to
me. The injustice is that there is a family whose lives have been completely
shattered forever and this puke is allowed to continue to exist.
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Assuming he did it.
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For the sake of the discussion, yes.
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I grant it looks pretty certain but never can you be 100% CERTAIN. Do you
know for *sure* what exactly happened, John?
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What is 100% certain, Lar? The law doesn’t even require that, because it
would be impossible to convict anyone (as long as the criminals never admitted
guilt).
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Again I admit that that would be human justice,
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And therefore imperfect, and subject to error and mistakes and out and out
malfeasance. There have been too many rushes to judgement, too many
lynchings, too many cases where a convenient patsy was located... a drifter,
a guy with a previous record, or whatever, and a confession beaten out of him
so that the case can be closed all neat and tidy. Is that the case here?
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Beaten out of him??? Please, you watch too much TV.
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Probably not but do you know for certain?
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What’s with this certainty test? I think we all know that there are only two
things certain in life;-)
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Therefore I oppose the death penalty even in this case.
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Bad reason to oppose it in my view. So a few innocents are executed injustly (a
very few, BTW). Compare that to the number of innocents who are murdered by
murderers who get off on a technicality.
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It is when the citizens decide to mete out JUSTICE on their own that things
go awry.
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Why, because our present system functions so well on its own?
JOHN
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| (...) I see no reason for cable TV or conjugal visits. Life in prison sounds about right though. (I beleive you asked this already) Note, again, my assertion that prisons need to be structured so that they do not cost the state money, but rather, (...) (20 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) And if we stoop to the level of the atrocity committer in our meting out of justice, we are also so doomed. (...) Assuming he did it. I grant it looks pretty certain but never can you be 100% CERTAIN. Do you know for *sure* what exactly (...) (20 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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