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(...) Can we debate this? I'm just asking... I mean, yes it's new but is is populair (whatever that is (1) )? Or popular, for that matter? As for Mr. Verbeek, is he saying he's great? Or that his posts tend to grate? or ?? So many questions. 1 - if (...) (21 years ago, 1-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Intimigate" Scandal at the White House (URL) WASHINGTON - September 30 - The Center for American Progress has released the attached is a one-page document detailing ?Intimigate?, the White House?s latest scandal. As the document shows, the White (...) (21 years ago, 1-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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More on this stuff today... Diebold takes down blackboxvoting.org (URL) This appears to be a public relations gaffe of staggering proportions on Diebold's part. It's not like bunging the terms "Diebold election fraud" into Google brings up only that (...) (21 years ago, 1-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think Lugnet ate my expansions on this topic - I got tired of retyping them and just packed it in on this subject. Essentially, I said the same thing as you do above: clubs open to all centered around topics or activities was fine by me: ski (...) (21 years ago, 30-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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visit the new populair lego website ||| |||(URL) Marco Verbeek (21 years ago, 30-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I sort of agree with your view. Surely, a purely social club is a waste of everyone's time at a high school. But, having clubs that form around a topic, like say "Germanic mythology" or "Ethiopian dance," wouldn't be a problem as long as (...) (21 years ago, 30-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is it a Brain F**t, or a Mind F**k? So far, my signs don't seem to be having much of an effect on public opinion in this country. I live on a busy street, and hung out a pair of colorful signs that read: "Enough Stupid Lies" "Impeach Bush" (...) (21 years ago, 29-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So there's a provincial election in a matter of days. I've been following the issues as close as I possibly want, balancing my stress level with that of listening to the leaders yammer. So it comes down to this--I like what Howard Hampton has to (...) (21 years ago, 29-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Is Bush's War in Iraq A "Brain XXXX"? Edit: XXXX word in title censored for Lugnet (URL) "When we put our enlisted men and women in harm's way, it had better count for something, It can't be because some policy wonk back here has a brain XXXX of an (...) (21 years ago, 28-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I am of the opinion that having purchased a license, that they should replace the non-performing media either for free within some reasonable time frame, or at cost. Or, you have the right to make back-up copies. I have utterly no problem in (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I do, generally by installing software on my system that has no business being on there, and often is exceedingly hard to later remove. (...) Yes, I know, but I'd prefer CDA tracks, even if they are rather large. I'd rather burn a exact (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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snip (...) I am pretty sure I read that the "CD-like disks" can be made into CDs by using a magic marker and coloring in the data track. Theres a couple million bucks of development down the toilet. I know I personally will not buy a CD that I can't (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Tom: I suppose you realize you could just download these two songs, right? The RIAA has specifically targeted uploaders, not downloaders. The theory is that it is possible to have a need, not unlike you own, that might make downloading a song a (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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This is a good question, especially since I am in this situation. Before moving from CA to FL, I tried to get my entire 250+ CD collection burned to MP3s, so I could cram them on an Archos to listen to in the moving truck (they totalled more than (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Credibility Gap: Wal-Mart's Corporate Welfare
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Will break to Wal-Mart really pay? (URL) Let me make sure I understand this correctly: Here in Colorado, a state that largely deplores welfare, affordable housing assistance and other entitlement programs, the city of Denver wants to give $10 (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: Curse you whomever is doing the DoS attack! double posted--sorry about that... Dave K (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bill Maher has rightly identified trickle-down-economics as the rich saying to the poor "We're pissing on you." (...) Robert Reich, who, as a Clinton cabinet member, will no doubt be demonized by Dubya apologists, had some interesting (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nicely stated Larry. There was a discusion earlier differentiating between accidents and homicides--people dying in mining or oil platform accidents is tragic, but is not the same as willfully taking another life in an act of homicide. (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nicely stated Larry. There was a discusion earlier differentiating between accidents and homicides--people dying in mining or oil platform accidents is tragic, but is not the same as willfully taking another life in an act of homicide. (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard: use Bush’s tax cut to buy shares in these companies and live on the dividend. When you spend the income, your unemployed countrymen will get jobs flipping ‘burgers (say) for you! Have you never heard of “trickle-down-economics”?! (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Yep. Blair and the man-monkey mess things up and then expect the world to pay the price... (URL) What happened to all those on this group that knew SH had WMD and wanted war to get them? Scott A (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Yeah, those are all good questions... Capitalism is dead too, though. I have given it long and serious thought and there's a very good reason that Roddenberry never really investigated the economy of the future in Star Trek -- the main thing is that (...) (21 years ago, 25-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I wrote this last night... ~~~...~~~ Huffington is a smart lady, but after tonight's debate I am finding her a little shallow and divisive. It's not that I really disagree with what she has to say, it's just that she seems to go about certain things (...) (21 years ago, 25-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The response from Dubya... (URL) it's Fox News, that 'fair and balanced' site... but it's a matter of convenience) " The comments also made President Bush bristle. In an exclusive interview with Fox News, the president called Kennedy's remarks (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) WoMD found in Iraq? And yet, somehow this will get buried in the background noise... So Iraq has no ties to 9/11 and no WoMD were found in Iraq. It's absolutely amazing that 18 minutes of blank tape and some shredded documents got Nixon (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) " A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..." The 2nd Amendment. militia = free state. Do you see it now? I could waste my time looking up references in state constitutions too, but why bother? I have this (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You need to do a cost benefit analysis here. Even one homicide or accidental death is undeniably tragic, but death, in the long run, is not preventable. Everyone dies of something some time. Weigh those 11,000 or 25.000 (tragic) yearly deaths (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: It's absolutely amazing how you keep missing the point. Let's just snip everything and go on a tirade that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, nor deal with any point that was raised. In the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you joking? "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." What the heck do you think it says? Well allow me to translate this into modern (...) (21 years ago, 24-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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Asked and answered ad nauseum. You want justification? I don't need any more than the law of the land on my side as far as I am concerned. You claim the law doesn't say what I claim it does, but my actions and those of thousands like me and unlike (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not according to your current president, or some ex-judge stating that your judicial system is based on the 10 commandments--these political people are appealing to God and the Bible. I'd say it's a difference b/w Macintosh and Golden (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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(...) Apples and oranges, Kooties. Xtian authorities have nothing to do with civil laws. My higher authority was variously a founder of my country, one of its primary legal authors, and an incredibly politically influential person besides. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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(...) <snip to the part which I believe, is the relavent part to this discussion> (...) <snip> TJ was a thoughtful and thorougly well versed man. For 1786. First, it's a letter, not a law, nor part of the constitution. If this 'preserving democracy (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) convinced. Dubya was right all along. He showed that SH had lots of WoMD ready to be deployed in minutes at Americans. He apologised for 'freedom fried' and the other insults directed at France and Gemany. He talked of giving the UN full (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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From Thomas Jefferson to William Smith Paris, November 13, 1787 Dear Sir, -- I am now to acknowledge the receipt of your favors of October the 4th, 8th, & 26th. In the last you apologise for your letters of introduction to Americans coming here. It (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip all good links that I'll spend time readig...> (...) You'd think that if the 'equalizer' is the 'final check and balancer of the system', then the system would have that mandated somewhere, (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I kind of agree with this. The question is how will the world proceed? What new mechanisms will arise to encourage artists to produce? I see a slight potential of a period of time where the availability of new art plummets. Another question is (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because he has no problem with any other group forming using race as a basis for its existence! Black clubs and Asian clubs also "smack of racial division", but somehow they are of no concern to him. (...) I can too, but hello?! we are not in (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is not a small thing. See these newsbits: An open invitation to election fraud (URL) Not only is the country's leading touch-screen voting system so badly designed that votes can be easily changed, but its manufacturer is run by a (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) Well if ya wanna talk traffic, then that's a different kettle of fish. I was once driving to Toronto every weekend from work. On a good day it would be a 30 minute drive. On a bad (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Welcome to 20 minutes into the future, people. Copyrights are dead. Patents are dead. IP is dead. Digital means infinitely reproducible. And as William Gibson has observed: "the street has its own uses for things." It's not a matter of what is right (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And we're right back to the beginning. I went to university, I minored in poli-sci and, occasionally, I went to class...(1) I had to read your constitution. I studied your laws. I looked at the democratic process. Not once did it say in *any* (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Isn't the whole point of making a copy so you can still use the material even if the original is damaged. Unless the record company can prove you did not purchase the CD in the first place they should not have a case against you. (...) I think (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The opinions of a handful of politicians are irrelavent (as if they would be honest about it anyway.) You (and your politicians) can believe whatever hippy notions you want about the power of the people, but the real power of the people comes (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops, substitute "the local NAACP leader" in the places I put McCelland's name. -->Bruz<-- (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't see how it is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Inasmuch as the minority groups formed due to ostracism, and the "white" group is not forming for the same reason, I can see where McCelland's concern is coming from. It seems (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) more like a global free-for-all (...) Sadly, it's not an equation to begin with, it's favoritism for the monetary/political elite. I agree completely that fair (livable) wages are a must. After I had stopped my drefting job due to burnout 2 (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The price of dignity (URL) In the past two years, 500 export assembly factories have shut down in Mexico, throwing 218,000 workers on to the street. Their crime was the $1.26-an-hour base wage they were paid by companies such as Alcoa Fujikura to (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) However the party system stuffs all that up by forcing members to vote "along party lines" instead of how their constituents want them to vote (except in conscience votes, which don't happen often in parliament). Note that I'm referring to (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are you looking for here? Anecdotal evidence that a gun and self-reliance are political necessaries? If you don't believe that then nothing I say will change your mind. I guess I could tell you a story, but then you'd just tell me (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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For purposes of this discussion, let's posit that music companies *have* the right to control distribution and to make copies of their products, and also that the consumer is granted the "fair use" right to make personal copies of purchased music. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. (...) "A local NAACP leader said Lisa McClelland's proposed club smacks of racial division". Accusing someone of creating "racial division" is akin to calling them "racists" IMO. The entire quotation is, in the final analysis, the pot (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You know, it's people like you wot cause unrest....;-) (...) Hmmm. Racism and sexism are different beasts. I am not in favor of equating the sexes-- they are not equal. Why O why do some women insist on trying to be like men? Men suck-- they (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This illustrates why I think essentially social clubs shouldn't be sanctioned by high schools - the reason the minority clubs formed is because whites wouldn't let them into any of the already established clubs. Perhaps the whole idea is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Completely agree! As an aside, I put girls phys-ed in my course selection for a sememster when I was in high school. That got me called down to the principals office. He said I couldn't do it and I said that his decision was sexist and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I say let the girl have her school group. But I can understand the NAACP's discomfort at the thought of a return to (or perpetuation of) institutionalized White Clubs. The reason it's a sensitive issue is that, in the US, the the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Learn all about (URL) bias in the news media.> And, while we're at it, you might as well check out (URL) this,> too. Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Pentagon Remember all those so-called "support the troops" rallies that took place before the invasion of Iraq?...I often wonder where those people are now - I mean, you don't see a lot of them around. Waving flags, parading in the streets, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) And the local NAACP has the nerve to call the group "racist". When are such organizations going to come to the realization that their very existence perpetuates the type of behavior they abhor. JOHN (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) two men - Joe Varnell and Kevin Bourassa who are legally married under Ontario law - refused to fill out separate forms and cancelled their trip, to a human rights conference in Georgia. The US Embassy in Ottawa defended the action by US (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but it didn't start that way. And if the farmers in 1775 had quietly rolled over and turned in their guns, the army of 1776 would not have been able to be raised. Here's a pretty good short account of the day: (URL) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I just don't think many people really think about the implications of 1775 (which is actually far more relevant to this debate than 1776, by 1776 the whole thing was well under way). How many people have thought about the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't it a massive insurrection against a tyranny? Didn't the newly started country raise a rather large army to ward off the Brits? Wasn't it, then, really, an army against an army? Whether you Yanks partook in gurrilla warfare in the woods (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This depends heavily on where you go to. If you go above the Arctic Circle, the sun never sets during mid-summer. In Oslo, which is around the 60° Nothern latitude, the sun sets for around three hours in summer, but with the sun just beneath (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Dave! I'm posting here because I know you will read this... are you comming tonight, and if so can you bring your laptop? Jeff VW Did I just go Off Topic in .off-topic? (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I've wanted to visit a few places in the world since I was a kid--Austailia, Denmark, others... Now Norway's on the list. Sun barely sets at all in the summer? Think of the tan! :) Dave K (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And if there was a revolt today against Dubya, why do you think it would not be a war time scenario, or that the opposition wouldn't form into an army? Or that the armed opposition wouldn't have come from home? And the point was that you kept (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And your gun in your house helped how? You bring up non-sequiters. Police corruption isn't fixed by having a gun in your house, it's fixed by 'the people' getting active--voting, educating, and fixing the system. And none of that requires a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I found this article to be somewhat inaccurate. For example, it states that more than 40% of academic posts are held by women. This is far from the truth. In the Universities, the vast majority of the higher academic positions are still held (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, that is seriously a load of crap. The U.S. is practically a warzone depending on where you live and the color of your skin. I have mentiond here before that I know of several instances of police abuse amongst people I know -- immediate (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And we're back to appealing to what's going on in *other* countries and in other times. In *America*, *today*, your gun in your house does *nothing* to preserve your freedom. Your gun in your house takes away the freedom of your fellow (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure you've shown that, actually. Note please that I am not asserting that (for example) the US is not a socialist state, for it is... I'm merely talking about the general case. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point is that we don't live the same way today as we did in '76. And we don't live in the civil war era. And, again, both condtions were war-time scenarios, and, again, both times there were armies involved. THe civil war was the army of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) I've been addressing it from the beginning--An armed citizenry is not needed I've talked with my local MPP, I've spoken with other politicians at various levels of political power (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a false argument; there is no country which is "free in all senses of the word". Just like there is no country which is completely socialist or completely free market. (...) I agree; the centre-left approach to life in Norway, Sweden (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Kennedy's 'Texas' remark stirs GOP reaction (URL) He said Bush officials had failed to account for $1.5 billion of the $4 billion the war costs each month, citing a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office. "My belief is this money is being (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In what way are people in more socialist countries less free than ourselves, Lar? We are progressively taxed, we have social programs, etc. I'm not seeing the big difference. We pay the same but get far less for our $$$. I hate to say it, but (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But a world with complete (personal) freedom can't exist because the more freedom you get the nearer anarchy you get and then you lose the freedom because another persons 'freedom' impinges on yours. To my mind a county like Denmark (which has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure they are. Show me a socialist country where you are free, in all senses of the word. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is this thread called Liberty vs Socialism? Liberty and socialism aren't opposites anyway Tim (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not going to comment on the law but I can't see any reason to not wear the seatbelt if its there. I put it on automatically and I dont even notice it. Wearing a seatbelt in the back seat it in my opinion even more important as you can (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way have you refuted every argument. This point you have about guns no longer serving a military use seems entirely specious. So specious that I think most people reading it are thinking to themselves, "Ugh, why bother trying to argue (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that's because I try to vote for people I won't have to shoot! Of course, having a peaceful alternative to shooting is always an advantage (if we can recall Davis, why not Bush! is my battlecry). :-) (...) Wrong - though perhaps you a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed! Though if you tax the corporations excessively, they'll whine and complain and take their business to China where the labour is cheap and the environmental protection is negligible! Ad to add insult to injury, sell the products back (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL. Nice. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A coworker once penned a letter of explanation to a client whose account had suffered an error in processing. My coworker wrote thus: "I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused you." Dave! (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh! (...) No that was my mistake. Narf. :-) (...) -Mike Petrucelli (semi-spilling-illiterate, not really ashamed of it though.) P.S. 'Spelling' spelled 'spilling' is from a letter read in my 8th grade English class from the early 1800s written (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You need to establish that - over the course of this and other threads you have repeatedly refered to the 1776 date as if that was the extent of people throwing off their governemtn in this country, and I have on more than one occassion (and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think attempted suicide is illegal here in Canada. Suicide can't have the same type of law 'cause if you're successful, well then you're dead and can't be there for a trial. I've been around for 36ish years and I've talked with many (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet you still have not addressed the post linked above. Throughout history there has never been a democracy where the citizenry was unarmed. Even in Canada, Britian, and Austrailia you still have armed citizenries. Nixion left office, my (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, but help out a poor English major. I thought that 0.00004 is 0.004%, rather than .00004 percent, just as 0.86 is 86%. Am I wrong? I admit that it's entirely possible! Dave! (semi-math-illiterate, to my shame) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I deny the validity of that point--an armed citizenry was valid for preserving freedom in the 18th century against a king who wanted to take that freedom away, but for those of us living in a long running democracy, now in the 21st century, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Charge the cigarette companies to pay for the medical (who in turn charge the smokers, who thus pay for themselves). (...) All foods are bad for you, given enough research. Really, you have to ban overeating (but then again, the food is taxed, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In some parts of the world, committing suicide, or trying to, is illegal. What do you think about that? I think there is a large difference between a sudden event, like a car accident, and a long term bad habit, like smoking or poor diet. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And those that believe in dogma to the exclusion of rational thought are brain washed. Appealing to history to keep things the same as they were is not the same as learning from history in order to make oneself better. Saying you need guns in (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then ban cigarettes. Ban foods that are bad for you. Ban autos until they don't put toxics in the air. Shut down Stelco and Dofasco. To single out seatbelts because of what we have to pay in health care is hypocritical. And if i hurt/kill (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well using the stats from here: (URL) 11,071 divided by 275,264,999 equals 4.0219425E-5 or 0.000040219425 (...) 1,100 divided by 275,264,999 equals 3.9961492E-6 or 0.0000039961492 And for the record, I trust that 0.000004 percent of the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I belive the actuall number you wanted was 11,071. The other 16,586 are suicides. So you are slightly more likely to commit suicide with a gun than get shot by one. Regardless suicides only affect those that pull the trigger much like the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In some parts of the world, the compensation for people severly injured in car accidents, are paid by the social security or the insurance industry, or a combination. In these cases, it is hardly fair to the community that they have to pay for (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: Massive ka-snip! (...) Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -->Bruce<-- (but then again, those that don't adapt to changing conditions are destined for extinction) :-) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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