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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote:
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Well that is the price of freedom; you have a 0.00004 percent chance that
you will be killed by some random lunatic with a gun. So this only confirms
my previous analogy of trying to save one’s little finger by chopping off
one’s legs.
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You’re trying to save your little finger by allowing 25 thousand of your
fellow citizens to die violent deaths, just so you can have a piece of metal
in your house.
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I belive the actuall number you wanted was 11,071. The other 16,586 are
suicides. So you are slightly more likely to commit suicide with a gun than
get shot by one. Regardless suicides only affect those that pull the trigger
much like the smoker. So anyway... You are avocating saving the little finger
of society (the 11,071 people shot by abusers of freedom) by chopping off its
legs. (removing that which preserves freedom, the armed citizenry)
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I deny the validity of that point--an armed citizenry was valid for preserving
freedom in the 18th century against a king who wanted to take that freedom away,
but for those of us living in a long running democracy, now in the 21st century,
armed citizens *do not* preserve the freedom. You haven’t needed a gun to vote.
Your pappa didn’t need a gun to vote, your great granddaddy didn’t need a gun to
vote. Not in this century (3 years old) nor the previous century, did you need
a gun to defend your right to vote, to defend your democracy from your fellow
citizen, to defend America from Americans.
Your gun in your house takes away the freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit
of happiness of 25 thousand individuals per year.
I’ll even grant you the ‘suicide clause’ and knock that number to 11,000. Does
the violent homicidal deaths of 11,000 people equal your right to keep a gun in
your house?
For me, the answer is a resounding no, for I like my fellow citizens too much to
play with their lives on the *no* chance that my gun will be used sometime in a
future generation (even though it hasn’t been needed in the past couple of
generations) to “protect” my freedoms.
Just admit that you want the gun for no valid rational reason except for
personal wants and desires. You want the gun so you can talk about ‘brain lead’
and ‘outta my cold dead hands’. Admitting that is the first step.
Dave K
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) And yet you still have not addressed the post linked above. Throughout history there has never been a democracy where the citizenry was unarmed. Even in Canada, Britian, and Austrailia you still have armed citizenries. Nixion left office, my (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Well, that's because I try to vote for people I won't have to shoot! Of course, having a peaceful alternative to shooting is always an advantage (if we can recall Davis, why not Bush! is my battlecry). :-) (...) Wrong - though perhaps you a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I belive the actuall number you wanted was 11,071. The other 16,586 are suicides. So you are slightly more likely to commit suicide with a gun than get shot by one. Regardless suicides only affect those that pull the trigger much like the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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