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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:05:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:


Massive ka-snip!
   Cites that don’t appeal to bygone history, please.


Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

And those that believe in dogma to the exclusion of rational thought are brain washed.

Appealing to history to keep things the same as they were is not the same as learning from history in order to make oneself better. Saying you need guns in your homes in the 21st century because your forefathers needed guns in their homes the 18th century is ludicrous. But you mentioned that below.

Give arguements for having a gun in your house today. I’ve refuted every one. The rhetoric that politicians do the will of ‘the people’ *only* because they risk being shot is, again, ludicrous. Nixon wasn’t worried about being shot when he stepped down. Every 4 years there are votes and seats change--cogress people and senators leave due to the power of the vote, not the power of a gun. Ask *any* of them why they left their seats when they were voted out. As soon as the gun owner realizes all his or her flawed reasons for keeping a gun in their homes are just that--flawed, absurd reasons--then there will be a chance for a better, safer society.

And 25,000 folks a year won’t have to die just so the gun owners can have their false security.

  
-->Bruce<--

(but then again, those that don’t adapt to changing conditions are destined for extinction) :-)



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  Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
 
(...) You need to establish that - over the course of this and other threads you have repeatedly refered to the 1776 date as if that was the extent of people throwing off their governemtn in this country, and I have on more than one occassion (and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
 
(...) In what way have you refuted every argument. This point you have about guns no longer serving a military use seems entirely specious. So specious that I think most people reading it are thinking to themselves, "Ugh, why bother trying to argue (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: Massive ka-snip! (...) Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -->Bruce<-- (but then again, those that don't adapt to changing conditions are destined for extinction) :-) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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